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Originally Posted by tsedek  this is against IDF ethics. if a soldier can be punished he will think twice before committing perpetration of the code of ethics of the IDF a next time. Akid, this particular "incident" (we're talking about the death of human lives here, so I would after all still not like to put if off like something insignificant, being that each life is one world) is not the same. For this a chain of orders would have to be given and it is good to see where the "mistake" was made. I know that pilots are left the final decision in terrorists 'liquidation' missions -if they see bystanders they will not perform the mission- and that 9 out of 10 of those missions return home without executing their mission, because the pilot decided there were bystanders who would get into immediate danger would he execute the mission.
you think in war israel makes more victims in its 'enemies' country than any other country? war is an ugly monster, Abu Sandal - that's why it's best to prevent it because when it breaks out even the most strict orders and precautions to save human lives will UNDOUBTEDLY bring about the death of innocents. it has always been like that, it will always stay like that... |
Like i said to Alon earlier,one must make a difference between the Army in itself,and the high command.
At the level of the Army,if there are mistakes,you can always apply the code.
But blaming the Army is not necessary and doesn't lead nowhere.Besides,there is no justice in blaming a corp that genuinly think that he is doing a patriotic duty.
But the problem is that the IDF is turned by the high command into a tool of mass killing,rather than a tool of self defense.
I am not talking here about the harm that powerful weapons can usually and ultimately inflict in any war.I understand what war means and what it leaves behind.
No,i am talking about the deliberate will , of the high command to kill and inflict losses on civilian ground,to punish the whole population for the support of this or that faction,army,milicia.....
This is the dirty way of doing wars:When you can't defeat the ennemy,you take everything you can on civilians to make him capitulate,or at least turn civilians against their fighters.
This is a Hiroshima,Nagazaki,Dresden,Vietnam.....scenario.Ty pically against the human rights charter and against the Geneva convention.
This is very easy to do.And the Israeli high command is pushing the IDF to theese kind of fighting styles,not as a last resort alternatives,but as a first option.Sometimes as the only option.
And most of the times,the purpose of this kind of actions is not even to defeat the ennemy,but just to "teach him a lesson".
And other times,like the cluster bombs example,it is just without any,not any,benefit,at all,but the free killing of innocent people....(After the war is over??.. for this particular example....)
Now as i said,this is an easy and dirty fighting,that has to stop somwhere.
Imagine,just imagine,that should any future conflict occur,your ennemy behaves like that.(After all he is not under the obligation to watch you do it and wait till you finish)
HA could very easily do it,you know.He can for example decide by tomorrow that he would no more accept that Israel targets wrecklessly and willingly its population,and decide to launch lethal ammo on Israeli cities and infrastructures.
They could tell you simply that if their fate will be anyway that their country will turn into rubbles,well,they will turn Israel into rubbles too.
But then,we will have two Armed sides, not fighting each others,but hitting on civilians,each side hoping that the other one would capitulate before him first.
That is not war!That is murder.Blackmail by murder.What a pride to win such wars!!...Can anyone win such wars anyway?....
So what i am saying is this:Since we are not actually capable of stopping wars between us,at least we should try to put minimum rules of engagements,something that would preserve the little we still have of our humanity,before we turn into a buch of wild uncivilized beasts.
19th September 2007
