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I think that US is sending some kind of last message to Syria, related the soon to be held international "peace" conference that will be aimed towards terminating the Palestinian cause.....
A partial call-up of reserves is reported in Syria by Western sources in Lebanon
DEBKAfile
12/9/2007
Those sources say Syria has mobilized armored, missile, air crews and air defense units - partly in readiness for repeats of alleged Israeli incursions of Syrian airspace and partly in response to the partial call-up in Israel which began beginning last Thursday, Sept 6. The Syrian armed forces are on full alert.
<TABLE id=AutoNumber3 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=art_la dir=ltr vAlign=top>DEBKAfile’s sources report that the silent war of nerves, started after the first Syrian allegation that Israeli bombers had violated of its airspace Thursday, continues. Jerusalem and Damascus are straining to hold back from an open clash, but voices are rising in the Syrian army urging President Bashar Assad to retaliate militarily to the purported Israeli infringement and come out of his passivity in the face of Israeli incursions. Assaf Shawqat, Syrian military intelligence chief and the president’s brother-in-law, is the most insistent. According to Western sources, he has begun mobilizing his loyalists in the military officers’ corps.
Israeli ministers and spokesmen are under strict orders not to utter a word about the episode. Prime minister Ehud Olmert opened the weekly cabinet session in Jerusalem Sunday, Sept.9, with the remark: “It is not always possible to show one’s cards.” Journalists were kept away from the ministers.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=art_la dir=ltr colSpan=2>DEBKAfile’s sources doubt whether this silent poker game can be sustained either by Jerusalem or Damascus in the present state of suspense. Since the “no comments” stratagem serve Israel’s interests most, Syria is likely to make the first move; its call-up of reserves may be a straw in the wind. In an interview with the American CBS network recorded Saturday, Assad dismissed Israel’s charges that Syria was funneling arms to Hizballah, including consignments from Iran.
He said: “Intelligence services, probably from all over the world, operate on the Lebanese side of the border with Syria and the Israelis fly over Lebanon … I told them provide us with a single evidence that we have sent one missile to Hizballah. These are fake claims."
Syria, Assad said, supports Hizballah politically.
Assad also denied that Damascus airport is being used by terrorists as a springboard to fight the U.S. forces in Iraq. "They enter illegally across the border and we've managed to arrest them," Assad stressed.
Asked to comment on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenjad's call to wipe Israel off the map, Assad said: "This is freedom of speech. Any person in the world has the right to express himself freely. This is just an expression."
In Rome, meanwhile, Syria’s vice president Farouk a-Shara issued an angry statement Saturday. He said his government is considering responses to Israeli jet flights over Syria and the results will not be long coming.
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A partial call-up of reserves is reported in Syria by Western sources in Lebanon
DEBKAfile
12/9/2007
Those sources say Syria has mobilized armored, missile, air crews and air defense units - partly in readiness for repeats of alleged Israeli incursions of Syrian airspace and partly in response to the partial call-up in Israel which began beginning last Thursday, Sept 6. The Syrian armed forces are on full alert.
<TABLE id=AutoNumber3 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=art_la dir=ltr vAlign=top>DEBKAfile’s sources report that the silent war of nerves, started after the first Syrian allegation that Israeli bombers had violated of its airspace Thursday, continues. Jerusalem and Damascus are straining to hold back from an open clash, but voices are rising in the Syrian army urging President Bashar Assad to retaliate militarily to the purported Israeli infringement and come out of his passivity in the face of Israeli incursions. Assaf Shawqat, Syrian military intelligence chief and the president’s brother-in-law, is the most insistent. According to Western sources, he has begun mobilizing his loyalists in the military officers’ corps.
Israeli ministers and spokesmen are under strict orders not to utter a word about the episode. Prime minister Ehud Olmert opened the weekly cabinet session in Jerusalem Sunday, Sept.9, with the remark: “It is not always possible to show one’s cards.” Journalists were kept away from the ministers.
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=art_la dir=ltr colSpan=2>DEBKAfile’s sources doubt whether this silent poker game can be sustained either by Jerusalem or Damascus in the present state of suspense. Since the “no comments” stratagem serve Israel’s interests most, Syria is likely to make the first move; its call-up of reserves may be a straw in the wind. In an interview with the American CBS network recorded Saturday, Assad dismissed Israel’s charges that Syria was funneling arms to Hizballah, including consignments from Iran.
He said: “Intelligence services, probably from all over the world, operate on the Lebanese side of the border with Syria and the Israelis fly over Lebanon … I told them provide us with a single evidence that we have sent one missile to Hizballah. These are fake claims."
Syria, Assad said, supports Hizballah politically.
Assad also denied that Damascus airport is being used by terrorists as a springboard to fight the U.S. forces in Iraq. "They enter illegally across the border and we've managed to arrest them," Assad stressed.
Asked to comment on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenjad's call to wipe Israel off the map, Assad said: "This is freedom of speech. Any person in the world has the right to express himself freely. This is just an expression."
In Rome, meanwhile, Syria’s vice president Farouk a-Shara issued an angry statement Saturday. He said his government is considering responses to Israeli jet flights over Syria and the results will not be long coming.
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I see what will happen next.
Syria flinches and fires at Israelis.
Israelis fire back putting down whatever Syrian SAMs they will find. And especially radars.
Iran restricts itself to big talk and takes major publicity hit in the eyes of its last ally.
Assad cries "uncle" and shuts down HA weapon smuggling routes as price for reprieve.
actually i have only read some few posts from the first 3 pages
but i think the discussion got into emotions and history rather than strategic analyzing starting from the 4th page.
so...
here are 2 nice microsoft word tables comparing the weaponary of isreal, egypt, and syria in land and air.
ofcourse u know that the egyptian navy has the supperiority so there is no need to compare.
by the way politically, i think that there have been an arms race between egypt and israel since 1985, but i am not sure when shall all of those arms the 2 countries prepared for each other be used.
and about syria, i think that politically the situation is not in her favore.
EAF IDF
Number Unit Note Number Unit Note
390 T-55 British engine, Italian fire control and ballistic computer, infrared devices, 4 Sagger missiles, LRF and stabilizers, new suspension , L7 105mm main gun, NBC and added armor 250 M48A5 Upgraded after the Yom Kippur war "6th of October war"
450 T-62 British engine, Italian fire control and ballistic computer, infrared devices, 4 Saker-18 missiles, LRF and stabilizers, new suspension , L7 105mm main gun, NBC and added armor 400 M60
Remaining from early 70s, some were upgraded into Magach series
1,700 M60A3 909 HP output, reactive armor, modern LRF, fire control system, new suspension and ballistic computer 300 M60A1
600 M60A3 Received from US after the Yom Kippur war
280 Ramses-2 Heavily modernized T-55 designed to out-class the M60A3 standard 150 Magach-6/7 Modernized M-60 using passive armor, new engine, sight equipments, and fire control systems.
880-1050 M1A1 Are to be 1,500 M1A1 by 2010 by local assembling. The Egyptian version is believed to have the capabilities of the American M1A2 standard for using different equipments. The M1A2s are bought from US surplus. 1,200 Merkava-1/2 MK-1/2 use 105mm gun, MK-3/4 use 120mm gun making them able to face the Abrams, the MK-4 use1500 HP output engines, and number less than 300 units.
125 M1A2 Merkava-3/4
3825+ MBT 850, 1235 T-62, T-55 had retired 2480 MBT 800 Centurions had retired lately
220 F-16-A/B/C/D Added Laser fire control unit and other systems bringing it up to the following generation 222 F-16-A/B/C/D
23 F-16-E 21 F-16-I
49 F-4 Phantom Some brought up to RF series 26 Mirage-5 Many were modified to Kfir standard
82 Mirage-5E2 Modified to carry more Air-Air missiles. 77 F-15-B/C/D/I Including 20 F-15 BAZ
39 Mirage-2000 Actual number is classified.
166 Mig-21 U, R, MF, PDF, and other types, all modernized with western technology and wings modified to carry American style missiles like the F-16, including radars, jamming equipment, and Sidewinder and Matra air-to-air missiles
49 Mig-29 SMT To out-class IAF F-15s, not yet delivered.
579-628 Fighter Jet All Mig-23/25/27s had retired; the EAF is thought to assemble JF-17 locally with license from PAF in the future. 413-433 Fighter Jet 67 F-4s and RFs had retired.
SAF IDF
Number Unit Note Number Unit Note
900 T-55/54 250 M48A5 Upgraded after the Yom Kippur war "6th of October war"
200 T-55 MV 400 M60
Remaining from early 70s, some were upgraded into Magach series
1000 T-62 300 M60A1
600 M60A3 Received from US after the Yom Kippur war
1,600 T-72 150 Magach-6/7 Modernized M-60 using passive armor, new engine, sight equipments, and fire control systems.
1,200 Merkava-1/2 MK-1/2 use 105mm gun, MK-3/4 use 120mm gun making them able to face the Abrams, the MK-4 use1500 HP output engines, and number less than 300 units.
Merkava-3/4
3700 MBT 2480 MBT 800 Centurions had retired lately
106 MiG-23 Including some of the BN variant. 222 F-16-A/B/C/D Israel produce F-16 Multi-role fighter under US license.
8 MiG-31E To be purchased.
20 MiG-29 Plans to upgrade to MiG-29SMT, and acquire a squadron of MiG-29M2. 21 F-16-I
177 MiG-21 Plans to upgrade them, possibly with India MiG-35,de. 26 Mirage-5 Many were modified to Kfir standard
60 Su-22 77 F-15-B/C/D/I Including 20 F-15 BAZ
20 Su-24
11 MiG-25 To be phased out.
394-402 Fighter Jet 413-433 Fighter Jet 67 F-4s and RFs had retired.
ok people it have abeen a waaaaay long time scince last editing pic's at this furom which is maaaan has the strangest way to put ur images in ur replays i have ever seen in all the furoms i have been to before.
so would some one please be gentel enough to tell me how can i because i forgot
ok people it have abeen a waaaaay long time scince last editing pic's at this furom which is maaaan has the strangest way to put ur images in ur replays i have ever seen in all the furoms i have been to before.
so would some one please be gentel enough to tell me how can i because i forgot
I have never done it myself but I think if you will check what tiny icons represent at the top of your message editing window you might find something useful.
Worst comes to worst try putting links to pictures instead.
Anyone who thinks Israel is really in opposition to the current Syrian regime is kidding himself.
Where else are they going to find a Syrian regime that's willing to make peace with them and safeguard their borders? You think they're going to gamble on the Muslim Brotherhood or a sunni-led authority? The United States is in the same line; they know that their interests lie with this Assad-led regime.
I'm also starting to think that the US is playing a dirty game in Lebanon.
6th September 2007
22nd September 2007
