Should the Syrian Regime be Overthrown?

[3i3o]

I believe every overthrowing of a political regime must not be supported in any way by an external factor (Lebanese, American…) the ingredients of such coup must be local only.

One of the Assad’s eternal greed and hate to Lebanon, is that all of the coup were planned in Lebanon….It’s a petty if we make the same mistake again.

P.S: I am proud that al the members here that were brutally tortured by the Syrian forces, don’t have a feeling of revenge towards Syria….BRAVO

[3i3o]

First, don’t write with so grammatical mistakes.

Originally Posted by dr rabie

you are juking when you discuss changing the Government in Syria.

Second, no we are not joking, overthrowing the Syrian regime is studied and being discussed in all the political international and local salons.

Originally Posted by dr rabie

No walid nor Hariri or any lebanese else can think in such way.

Third, walid jonblat, saad haririi, me and everyone else can “think” the way we want ( I guess you are not used to “think” that way because of your dictatorial regime)

Originally Posted by dr rabie

you are as Lebanese can't change your presedent so how you can think in Syria that big and strong country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!.

You are not “big”, neither “strong”, and since when these are the criteria of evaluating the power of a political regime.

Originally Posted by dr rabie

Syria is Syria . and if you want to know what is the meaning Of syria, please read the history of the middle east since 1916 uptil now ..

Yeah, we know your history; full of blood, oppression, occupation…At least we have smelt freedom from time to time….Do you know what “freedom” means?

Originally Posted by dr rabie

Al Assad is our leader and he is the honest presedent who always says No to Stupid American . (please ask Mr Feltman the American embassador who rules Lebanon to do his best to change the Assad ..

Fourth, Assad always said “NO” to the Americans? From this point I can conclude that you don’t deserve to be criticized, it seems you are so Professional in your “political analyses”…

Fifth, the one who is ruling Lebanon is the LEBANESE PEOPLE, represented by our political deputes and parties, despite few unachievements.

Originally Posted by dr rabie

please disucss another useful topic for you and leave Syria to Syrians

Sixth, this is not of your business, we are free to discuss whatever we want, I guess “you” are not used to that too...

[Jean]

I don't really care about what will happen in syria,
we , as lebanese, want a normal relations with syria based on respect and freedom of each country

[El-Meghwar]

the curent syrian regime was and still a source of danger for Lebanon.
i support changing the regime in syria,and i don't care by who,but i prefer that all the Lebanese leaders stay away from that issue,and i think that Mr.Jumblat is playing a dangerous game,he must stay away from Syrian's issues and not supporting anyone in Syria.
also,i'm afraid that this majority will exchange "rustom Ghazali" in "Khaddam",w nerja3 3a 7adiss "we7det l massar wel massir ", if khaddam ( curent ally of jumblat and hariri) comes to power in syria !

[El]

Originally Posted by AliArz

Haruun,

I really liked this thread...and your avatar!...

Truth is, if there is an option that says: "Let the Syrians decide, and the Lebanese should care", then I would vote for just that.

Quite frankly, a regime change in Syria should be done by the Syrian people themself.

If they need outside help, they can request for one and altogether, they can plan the ousting of the current tyranny.

This is the first step towards democracy in Syria.

However, my question is: "What make us think that the next Syrian regime will be any better?"...

If anything, I am convinced that the next regime in Syria will be the worse ever in Arabo-Muslim history, and people will see this with their own eyes (I did a strong analysis over this subject).

First, the people who support the new rule in Syria are some of the world's worst criminals ever, much more awful then the little baby, Bashar Assad...

The worst of them all is Khaddam, who was the main brain behind Syrian crimes in Lebanon...why is the March 14 group cheering for him today?...

Is this for Lebanon? Or is it because they think Assad killed Hariri so Hariri matters more then Lebanon and it is assumed that Assad killed him?...

Did they forget that Hariri, like other Lebanese leaders, where charged responsibility to work for Lebanon?...

Did they forget that outside Hariri, all other suspected Syrian crimes in Lebanon where done by Khaddam?...

This would be the first argument.

Second, comes the fact that it will be openly backed by the Western Imperialist machine....what is happening in Iraq today is not giving us a good impression on what America is doing in the Middle East, so quite naturally, most people in this world are not feeling enthusiastic about an American plan for Syria...if anything, they are scared!...

Third, Hosni Mubarak is considered the worst dictator in the Arab World today, even before Saddam Hussein...and he is with the March 14 team for support of a regime change in Syria...if anything, he was the first to say that a "Sunni vs. Shia" tension is official...such dangerous words from a dangerous person is simply intolerable.

Fourth, even worse...Mubarak's biggest enemies, the Muslim Brotherhood, is said to have a plan for a change in Syria...double the wickedness...

Walla, all these signs are so negative, it makes Assad look like a saint!...

This is really bad...

My answer is simply: "No for foreign interference in Syria, not even a Lebanese one over there, and yes for 100% Syrian democracy via having a tyrant regime overthrown and led by a Syrian population".

Every action in Syria will affect Lebanon, especially the sectarian tension which is already high and based on the Sunni vs. Shia warfare...

The Christians will be the first to be affected by it because they wont have huge participation...making them the first victim....just like all innocent people in a state of war...such as children, women, the elders and non-participative men, they are the first to be affected by this tyrannical mess...

Take good care,

Ali Arz :LEBANON:

completely agree with you AliArz.Just allow me to add something;Interfering with a regime, will legally open the door for this regime to interfering in our internal affairs.
So i think that the lebanese who are asking to remove or overthrow this syrian regime and replace it with another, are the worst traitors,because they are the ones who are giving the syrians el 7ejje to interfere in Lebanon.
of course everyone would love to have a democratic country beside us, but it's not our role to change it , maybe we can inspire them , but let's not play the heroes while we're not able to do the smallest change in lebanon.

[loubnaniTO]

I believe we all hope every regime in the world, needless to say around us, is a peaceful democratic regime that doesn't attack its neighbours, create instability around it, and treats its own people with dignity and respect.

Overthrowing a regime is a very broad wish. Yes i hope the Syrians will one day do better... but if we say YES we are for overthrowing the regime, are we actually openly inviting a foreign power to invade Syria? are we implying that we would help any opposition trying a coup d'etat, hence making the existing regime an enemy and declaring war on it?? is it our job to interfere in other countries' affairs and telling them what we think is right for them?

What we wish the Syrians is something, and making it as a clear official statement by our Government is something else. Lebanon is a small country that is recovering from a long war that crippled it. Lebanon will never be a major international power like the EU or the US... so Lebanon's fate is to always remain a peaceful little country who does NOT interfere in other countries' affairs, but who makes sure it strengthens its own internal affairs, ensuring all Lebanese have equal rights and ensuring the system remains democratic.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

I will de-mine it for you if Haruun doesn't mind.

Should we allow ourselves to get entangled in Junblat's and Hariri's zealous effort (whether successful or not and, in my opinion, not) to push for a regime change in Syria? And to make it even clearer, especially when we know that Hariri and Junblat would love to see their ex-partner and mentor criminal Khaddam replace the Assad clan?

And should people looking for a role at any price like Geagea or presidential aspirants like Harb, N. Lahoud and Neyla let themselves be dragged by Hariri and Junblat into such a misguided plan?

So that would be the actual question, not "should the syrian regime be overthrown" period.

If that was the question, then I would say no to Lebanese involvement in Syrian regime change because it will affect us negatively one day or the other.

However saying that it's none of our business and that we could care less is also wrong IMO, since we are affected by the type of regime in Damascus whether we like it or not and a democratic regime is much better for the future of all of his neighbours.

Clear

[AliArz]

Originally Posted by Ogeorge

completely agree with you AliArz.Just allow me to add something;Interfering with a regime, will legally open the door for this regime to interfering in our internal affairs.
So i think that the lebanese who are asking to remove or overthrow this syrian regime and replace it with another, are the worst traitors,because they are the ones who are giving the syrians el 7ejje to interfere in Lebanon.
of course everyone would love to have a democratic country beside us, but it's not our role to change it , maybe we can inspire them , but let's not play the heroes while we're not able to do the smallest change in lebanon.

George,

It couldnt have been said any better!

Walla, what March 14 are doing today, with the U.S-backing mandate, reminds me of what the Lebanese Front did in 1976 when they where forced to invite the Syrian Ba'ath regime and interfere in our affairs...the Americans where publicly behind this move, it was no secret...

Now, they want to change regimes in Syria, only so that Syria can occupy us again...this is completely insane from the part of all the ignorants (whoever they be), who are directly or indirectly contributing to this menace.

To the others...

Lebanon can interfere with Syrian affairs once Bashar Assad will be proven guilty of the Hariri assassination by the UN investigation team (and it will happen).

Already, the UN investigation on the surface, may look like a normal thing, but if you think deeper, you will clearly see that it is a "Lebanese" interference towards Syria...

Eno, why did we not do this investigation for the other Lebanese leaders who where assassinated?...

Why the "Cedar Revolution" after the Hariri assassination, and not after that of others?...

Once Assad will be proven guilty, the Americans will work on a regime change...and many puppets will play along with them...among which is Lebanon's March 14....them "freedom fighters"....

This regime change to me, only means the following: "new Syrian occupation in Lebanon".

Mabrouk!...

Nothing changed in the Arab World, we are still the same ignorants we where for the past few centuries...

Take care,

Ali Arz

[Abu Jaafar]

In principle we should care for Syria and the Syrians whether the regime of Syria affects us or not... we should care for our neighbours.

But whether it is our job to do something that they are not inviting us to do is another matter.

We should not bring down a government, unless, I suppose, the masses of that nation are desperatly crying out for help. Anyways, this kind of regime overthrow ought to be last-resort.

As for the hypocrisy of Walid Jumblat... why should it suprise us? or even in any politician?

[JulesK]

ya khayi, we dont care what happens in syria, its none of our business.
bass ahamma chi hala2, that they would hand back the money they stole and more importantly the lebanese detainees.

on the same note,jumbi is meeting with "mou3aridin souriyin",enno,its too much,hes leading a war against the syrian regime and that will only bring bad news to him, his party and the entire country because, by endangering himslef, he is endangering everyone around him.KHALASS BA2A,W3A 3A WAD3AK