Russian tanks enter South Ossetia , WAR

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These are the birth pangs of a new Georgia

[Aoun4lebanon]

Originally Posted by CPL

You better check your neo-con who dares to insult people at random.

Anyhow, we are sick of you nazionists, you are not welcome on a proud lebanese forum, so **** off and go pollute other places (just like you have been kicked from place to place), self hating zionist dares to say to a proud lebanese an *** wipe. LOL time is funny.

CPL be nice to our proIsraeli foe you don't want to upset him and hurt his feeling cause he'll launch another deadly and barbaric war on our people. Look how their raging their hatred on the russians

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Pourquoi tant de haine et de violence?

[Aoun4lebanon]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

Pourquoi tant de haine et de violence?

You should be asking those Jehova followers why so much hate, revenge and violence and wars? read this article
by Edgar J. Steele

WAR ALERT!!!

This is going to be quick and dirty today. No cute cartoons. No philosophizing. We haven't time for any of that today.

I believe we are on the verge of the outbreak of World War III. Right now.

If I'm wrong, then so be it. I'll apologize for being overreactive later. Too much hangs in the balance if I am right. Treat it as an exercise if you like. A practice for when the real thing happens, because you can be sure the real thing will happen ... and soon.

For those who follow my writings and know just how right I usually am, be advised that I consider this to be very likely in the very near term (within the next week or two), highly likely within the next month or two and dead certain within the next year or two. I am uncertain only about the timing, not the outcome. The outcome is worldwide war, of course, and the likely defeat of America.

There is a convergence of factors just now that, taken together, suggest something momentous in the offing. Do your own googling and research to pull up articles. Today, I am just going to rattle them off, rather than tie in URLs for your ease in reference.

Huge Naval Armada Steams for Persian Gulf

The largest US/EU naval armada assembled since the start of Gulf War I now is taking up station just outside and inside the Persian Gulf, with significant battle groups just coming off an extensive joint military exercise timed to end just now. America never will be more ready to take on Iran, or so it thinks.

The US has announced its intention to emplace a naval blockade of Iran. That, in itself, is an act of war under international law. Never mind that Iran has done nothing to deserve this. Neither Russia nor China, strategic trading partners of Iran's will take this lying down.

Russia Invades Georgia - Does this stymie Russia for a time?

Georgia, the ex-Soviet province, now is a member of NATO. We are bound to protect NATO members, don't forget. Georgia just attacked its own breakaway province of Ossetia, which has aligned itself with Mother Russia, despite Ossetia's being guaranteed independence since 1992. Russia has responded with a military incursion of its own that can be expected to include all of Georgia. Was this orchestrated at this strategic time to occupy and distract Russia from an Iranian invasion?

Russia is a superpower still, make no mistake, capable of fighting on several fronts. Russia has stated that an attack on Iran, due to Russia's own national interests, will be viewed as an attack on Russia. This is not complicated, except in the drug- and alcohol-addled mind of George W. Bush.

Just-Completed Israeli War Games Simulated Iran Invasion

Israel just completed a massive military war game exercise that simulated the full-on invasion of Iran. Israel never will be more ready to take on Iran.

Us Anti-Iran Rhetoric Just Ratcheted Up Several Notches

American traitor and main Jewish cheerleader for Israel, Senator Joe Lieberman, just called for the invasion of Iran, saying that its rhetoric constitutes a "war crime." Dick Cheney just amped up his own rhetoric and has gone on the circuit, plumping for an invasion of Iran. General US anti-Iran rhetoric has gone up significantly in the past few weeks and days.

Olympic Games Just Began - Does this stymie China for a time?

China, the perennial wild card, now is on center stage for the world during the coming two weeks' Olympic Games, with its hands tied. No matter what goes on elsewhere, China simply cannot afford either to move against Taiwan (widely expected during the next military over-extension by America) or pop up in defense of any country being savaged by the US or its minions.

Whatever happens in the next two weeks, rest assured that China then will have a free hand to do whatever it wants. China depends upon Iran for a goodly amount of oil imports. Do the math.

US Stock Market Suddenly Boosted When It Should Have Dropped Precipitously

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac both just announced multi-billion-dollar quarterly losses, along with record losses being reported by most corporations. Together with world events and the dollar's weakening, the foreclosure crisis, massive bailouts on every front and mounting unemployment, the stock market should be crashing. Inexplicably, suddenly US stocks are soaring. Go figure.

Manipulation, of course. More of what they've been doing since 1995, designed to delude American investors and the public in general. Move along. Nothing is happening here. Yeah, right. Well, plenty is happening here and this house of cards quite simply cannot stand much longer.

Precious Metals Hammered Unmercifully and Unaccountably

Oddly enough, though money is being created at a record rate, thereby diluting the purchasing power of the existing money supply, the dollar suddenly is soaring, having risen from the ashes now to stand tall at nearly 76. Just a week or two ago, the dollar was in danger of slipping beneath 70. Obviously, the dollar is being artificially manipulated by the government, largely at the expense of precious metals prices, which have been hammered down at record rates in the past few days, the dollar belies its inherent weakness. Again, this cannot long endure.

What to do? Buy physical silver and do it now - this is the last time you will see silver in the $15 range.

US Economy About to Crash and Burn

It daily becomes more obvious just how precarious is the American economy. The bad news can be papered over with market manipulation just so long, then the manipulation actually accelerates the decline. We are very near the tipping point, I believe. The catastrophic result, Depression II, now is baked into the cake. Nothing can stop it. Nothing. Traditionally, war is used to distract a population saddled with economic catastrophe, don't forget.

US Air Force Joins the Others with a Jew at the Head

The US Air Force's commanding general has just been replaced with a Jew. The army long has been in the hands of one Jewish general after another and the Marine Corp's top general was replaced with a Jew recently, too. I don't care just how anti-Semitic you might take my pointing this out as being. Facts are facts. Consider how obvious the fact is that our current Middle East warmongering is in support of Israeli (Jewish) interests. Now there is no chance whatsoever that American military units will act against Israel's interests.

Obama May be About to be Elected

I think the possibility of Obama being elected has the powers that be scared, in that they cannot be certain that he will dance to their tune. This accelerates the need to do something while Shabbats Goyim George W. Bush still occupies the White House.

Next, look for a US aircraft carrier to be sunk with all hands lost.

This is the classic ploy, just as in all past wars. Sunk by Israelis, most likely, but blamed on Iran to provide the pretext for a coordinated attack. Which is the oldest, most obsolete carrier now on station in the Gulf? Like all the obsolete iron left out to dry by Roosevelt in Pearl Harbor, America will lose a symbolic asset while the key will be the loss of life: about three or four thousand dead Americans is the way they think now, in order to get the American public on board in full outrage - the full complement of one of our carriers today.

Then - Martial Law and a National Draft

Expect some incident within America, possibly just as home-grown as was 9/11, to justify the imposition of martial law. Prepare your children for the prospect of a national draft.

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Georgian troops retreat from breakaway province

By DAVID NOWAK, Associated Press Writer
50 minutes ago



GORI, Georgia - Georgian troops retreated from the breakaway province of South Ossetia on Sunday as their U.S.-allied government ordered a cease-fire and pressed for a truce, overwhelmed by Russian firepower in a conflict that threatened to set off a wider war.

Russia deployed a naval squadron off the coast of another of Georgia's separatist regions, Abkhazia, and its jets bombed the outskirts of Tblisi, the Georgian capital.

Georgia's Foreign Ministry said its soldiers were observing a cease-fire on orders of the president and notified Russia's envoy to Tbilisi.
"Georgia expresses its readiness to immediately start negotiations with the Russian Federation on cease-fire and termination of hostilities," the ministry said in a statement.

The Russian Foreign Ministry had no immediate response to the Georgian offer. It came as the U.N. Security Council — where Russia has veto power — met in an open session and European diplomats sought to mediate.

Georgia, whose troops have been trained by American soldiers, began an offensive to regain control over South Ossetia overnight Friday, launching heavy rocket and artillery fire and air strikes that pounded the provincial capital, Tskhinvali.

In response, Russia, which has granted passports to most South Ossetians, launched overwhelming artillery shelling and air attacks on Georgian troops.

Russia has demanded that Georgia pull out its troops from South Ossetia as a condition for a cease-fire. It also urged Georgia to sign a pledge not to use force against South Ossetia as another condition for ending hostilities.

Earlier, Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said that Moscow now needs to verify the Georgian withdrawal. "We must check all that. We don't trust the Georgian side," he said.

On Sunday, Russian jets raided a plant on the eastern outskirts of Tbilisi that builds Su-25 ground jets. The attack damaged runways but caused no casualties, said Georgia's Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili.
"We heard a plane go over and then a big explosion," said Malkhaz Chachanidze, a 41-year old ceramics artist whose house is located just outside the fence of the factory, which has been running since the Soviet era. "It woke us up, everything shook."

The risk of the conflict setting off a wider war increased when Russian-supported separatists in another breakaway region of Georgia, Abkhazia, launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian troops to drive them out of a small part of the province they control. Fifteen U.N. military observers were told to evacuate.

Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and have built up ties with Moscow. Russia has granted its passports to most of their residents.

In yet another sign that the conflict could widen, Ukraine warned Russia on Sunday it could bar Russian navy ships from returning to their base in the Crimea because of their deployment to Georgia's coast.
President Bush called for an end to the Russian bombings and an immediate halt to the violence.

"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia. They mark a dangerous escalation in the crisis," Bush said in a statement to reporters while attending the Olympic Games in Beijing.

Karasin said the ships were sent toward Abkhazia as a deterrent.

"The deployment is quite natural. We don't want a repeat of what happened in South Ossetia," he said at a news conference.
The foreign ministers of France and Finland were headed to Georgia to discuss ways to end the conflict, and the U.N. Security Council met for the fourth time in four days to discuss the situation.

Russian jets have been roaming Georgia's skies since Friday. They raided several air bases and bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility. The Russian warplanes also struck near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline which carries Caspian crude to the West, but no supply interruptions have been reported.

Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili called it an "unprovoked brutal Russian invasion."

Jim Jeffrey, Bush's deputy national security adviser, warned "if the disproportionate and dangerous escalation on the Russian side continues, that this will have a significant long-term impact on U.S.-Russian relations."

A Russian raid on Gori near South Ossetia Saturday which apparently targeted a military base on the town's outskirts left numerous civilian casualties.

An Associated Press reporter who visited the town shortly after the strike saw several apartment buildings in ruins, some still on fire, and scores of dead bodies and bloodied civilians. The elderly, women and children were among the victims.

Russian officials said they weren't targeting civilians, but Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Georgia brought the airstrikes upon itself by bombing civilians and Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia. He warned that the small Caucasus country should expect more attacks.
"Whatever side is used to bomb civilians and the positions of peacekeepers, this side is not safe and they should know this," Lavrov said.

Karasin, Russia's deputy foreign minister, said more than 2,000 people had been killed in South Ossetia since Friday, most of them Ossetians with Russian passports. The figures could not be independently confirmed.
But residents of the provincial capital Tskhinvali who survived the bombardment by hiding in basements and later fled the city estimated that hundreds of civilians had died. They said bodies were lying everywhere.
Alexander Lomaia, Georgia's security council chief, estimated that Russia sent 2,500 troops into Georgia.

In Saturday's meeting with refugees in the city of Vladikavkaz across the border, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin described Georgia's actions as "complete genocide. Putin also said Georgia had effectively lost the right to rule the breakaway province — an indication Moscow could be preparing to fulfill South Ossetians' wish to be absorbed into Russia.
Georgia borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Today, Russia has approximately 30 times more people than Georgia and 240 times the area.

Russia also laid much of the responsibility for ending the fighting on Washington, which has trained Georgian troops. Washington, in turned, blamed Russia.

Georgia said it has shot down 10 Russian planes, including four brought down Saturday, according to Lomaia. It also claimed to have captured two Russian pilots, who were shown on Georgian television.
Russian Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the General Staff, confirmed Saturday that two Russian planes had been shot down, but did not say where or when.

Russian military commanders said 15 peacekeepers have been killed and about 150 wounded in South Ossetia, accusing Georgian troops of killing and wounding Russian peacekeepers when they seized Russian checkpoints. The allegations couldn't be independently confirmed.
In Abkhazia, the separatist government said it intended to push Georgian forces out of the Kodori Gorge. The northern part of the gorge is the only area of Abkhazia that has remained under Georgian government control.
Separatist forces also were concentrating on the border with Georgia's Zugdidi region, and Russia's NTV television reported that additional Russian troops landed in Abkhazia Sunday, heading in the same direction.

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ذكرت وكالة "رويترز" أن الجيش الروسي قام بغارة على مطار العاصمة الجورجية تبليسي

el nashra

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الرئيس الروسي يصف الممارسات الجورجية بأعمال ابادة جماعية

وصف الرئيس الروسي ديمتري مدفيديف الممارسات الجورجية في جمهورية اوسيتيا الجنوبية بأنها عمليات ابادة جماعية

وأشار مدفيديف في تصريح نقلته وكالة انباء "انترفاكس" الى ان جورجيا قامت بعدوان دموي ومدمر ضد اوسيتيا الجنوبية ادى الى مقتل عدد كبير من المدنيين ورجال قوات حفظ السلام الروسية

وطلب مدفيديف من النيابة العامة الروسية التحقيق في كافة الجرائم التي ارتكبتها القوات الجورجية تمهيداً لتنظيم ملاحقة جنائية وقضائية لمن قام بهذه الفظاعات

10/8/2008
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الرئيس الابخازي يعلن عن قصف منطقة وادي كودور الخاضعة للسيطرة الجورجية

أكد رئيس جمهوية ابخازيا الانفصالية سيرغي باغابش ان الطائرات والمدفعية الابخازية تقوم بقصف وادي كودور الخاضع للقوات الجورجية

واوضح باغابش في حديث ادلى به للتلفزيون الروسي ان بلاده قررت مهاجمة وادي كودور رداً على الهجوم الجورجي ضد اوسيتيا الجنوبية مشيراً الى ان القوات الابخازية دخلت كذلك منطقة غالي الحدودية مع جورجيا

10/8/2008
el nashra

[LebSpy]

Originally Posted by Neo_Con

It all goes back to the Armenians .....

We (Armenians) have land occupied by Georgia.. why you're being surprised when someone mentions Armenians in a region that we are present?

Originally Posted by Neo_Con

Hey LebaneseArab! Why not let Turkey bomb Armenia? Take a look at this interesting fact.

Americans have bases in Turkey. Armenia sending few soldiers won't make a difference to any side.
Also know that Armenia is the link between Iran and USA.

Originally Posted by Garabet B

on a side note. abkhazia entered the war to regain its territories who r still in georgia, same for russia. armenia should do the same and enter the war and re-gain tchavakhk region ( south of georgia).

I read in an Armenian forum a member writing that Tashnag must get involved and claim independence for Chavakhk.
but the problem doesn't stop there... you must take into consideration Azeries. They might re-start war in Gharapagh. Can we handle both fights?

[LebSpy]

Originally Posted by GeaGea SkyWalkeR

The Georgians should do what Russia is doing in Abkhazia and South ossetia to Georgia,

They should just open passage to Chechnya, Just turn a blind eye, It will take care of itself. Russians are fragile. Very similar to the Israeli's, They can not sustain a long guerrilla war.

The Georgians can't take the Russian's on in a conventional war. Why try,

I didn't get the first part.. what's being done? and how Georgia can do the same?
When you have the Abkhazians against the Georgian government, what can Georgia do like Russia? :S (i'm really confused)


Just a note: the problem is also about American bases in Georgia under the nose of the Russians. It's unacceptable for the Russians to see Americans get strong in the region.