One more Jenin Massacre lie.

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

No need to go to the extremes.

Maybe Philistines or Canaanites are hard to find but Egyptians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, ... all of them are pretty much here.

Keep laughing.

Ok, first of all, Canaanites are Phoenicians. The term "Phoenicians" is a Greek word to Canaanites. Second, Egyptians are as old as Phoenecians. Third, it breaks my heart to see a pro-Israeli care so much about small minorities.

And fourth, I'll definitely keep laughing.. as long as you keep this up.

[Frisbeetarian]

All indigenous people throughout ME and North Africa who still exist shell come forth and rise to free their native lands from occupiers the same way Jews are freeing Israel today.

It is very much idiotic on your part to pursue this direct argument, wanting reinstate your land because your people called it home over 4000 years ago. Maybe we should instate an anchor point as to the time period Palestine and Israel should be appropriated to which people. I say that anchor point should be the French Revolution, which set forth the development of human rights and set out the effort to build a somewhat understanding world. Using this anchor point, it is no longer moral no legal (Use the U.N sanction argument and ill call you a hypocrite) to forcibly remove a large population from its own land with the guise of replacing it with another, thus producing enormous amounts of torment on the populace to be relocated. Does anyone object at this reference point?

Does anyone object at this reference point? I see it as a natural reference to take in order to make sense of this debate and produce valid results. I believe that we cant go back in reference 4000 years, because then we wouldnt be taking into consideration human life and supposed human rights.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

It is very much idiotic on your part to pursue this direct argument, wanting reinstate your land because your people called it home over 4000 years ago.

It is dangerous point as far as you are concerned, but hardly an idiotic one.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Maybe we should instate an anchor point as to the time period Palestine and Israel should be appropriated to which people. I say that anchor point should be the French Revolution, which set forth the development of human rights and set out the effort to build a somewhat understanding world. Using this anchor point, it is no longer moral no legal (Use the U.N sanction argument and ill call you a hypocrite) to forcibly remove a large population from its own land with the guise of replacing it with another, thus producing enormous amounts of torment on the populace to be relocated. Does anyone object at this reference point?

With all due respect to French Revolution (which leveled Bastille and quickly failed without bringing much of human rights. If you wish to use similar marker American Revolution predates French one by 17 years and was much more successful) I see no relevance of it to the subject at hand. However, I appreciate your attempt to bring some sense into out discussion.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Does anyone object at this reference point? I see it as a natural reference to take in order to make sense of this debate and produce valid results. I believe that we cant go back in reference 4000 years, because then we wouldnt be taking into consideration human life and supposed human rights.

I would like to offer an alternative idea. How about as long as people remember who they and are willing to take back what was once taken away from them?

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

Ok, first of all, Canaanites are Phoenicians.

Hardly, but if you insist, then they have full right to get rid of occupiers of their land, be it Jews, Arabs or anybody else.

[tsedek]

Originally Posted by 3asheq Beirut

The UN is not an independent institution that can equal apply and enforce international law across the board. It is an organization that is controlled by the US, and thus indirectly by "Israel". "Israel" has always been shielded and protected by the US from any accountability either by using their veto power or by bullying and threatening other UN members and UN institutions to lay off the terrorist state.

No so-called "lie" was exposed in Jenin. Rather, the US threatened the UN and demanded that they stop their inquiry into the massacres, and therefore used their bullying power to clear "Israel." A massacre was clearly committed in Jenin by the most terrorist, cancerous, murderous, thuggish entity on this earth. However, no investigation was allowed to be undertaken because "Israel" must not exposed for what it is.

1. the U.N. is composed of countries around the world. the stupid fact that Sudan (out of all places) was once a 'president' of the human rights committee in the U.N. shows its abnormality. or... perhaps you agree with what Sudan is doing - in that case we don't even have the slightest ground of mutual morals.

2. no. in jenin 51 palestinians were killed of whom 39 were armed and in fighting (read: killing israelis) mode. fighters = soldiers. another 29 israeli soldiers were killed. due to their MORALS of not bombing the whole of the city from the air in order to prevent civilian fatalities. so NO! Jenin was NO WAY a "massacre". no matter how you prefer to turn and spin it.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

On Zionism. I have to repeat:

"The other one is fake one and is just your perception of Zionism. And because it is only your perception I could not care less what it is."

On occupiers.

Once you realize that Arabs of Judea, Samaria and Gaza are simply squatters you will stop asking silly questions.

Each and every Arab state, which is not confined to Arabian Peninsula is an occupier state.
Arabs occupy Egypt, Arabs occupy Iraq, Arabs occupy Lebanon, and so on.
All indigenous people throughout ME and North Africa who still exist shell come forth and rise to free their native lands from occupiers the same way Jews are freeing Israel today.

You are either insane or stupid. Pick one.

First and foremost, the people living in Arab countries like Egypt and Iraq consider themselves Arabs. Do I need to bring up 'Abd al-Nasser, the most revered Arab leader in history?

Secondly, you say that the "Arabs of Judea" are not indigenous to their own land? Even if we were to disregard the name "Arab" completely and refer to these people as Philistines or Canaanites, as an idiot of your caliber would, this does not change the fact that these people were kicked out of their historical homeland to make way for a JEWISH state comprised of people from European countries. In your attempts to de-legitimize the rightful ownership of indigenous peoples over their land, you de-legitimize the establish of Israel itself. Europeans are not indigenous to Asia, and are obviously not indigenous to Palestine.

I must say, it's hard to say idiotic things with a straight face, at least for me. I guess that means idiocy is intrinsic to your character.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Hardly, but if you insist, then they have full right to get rid of occupiers of their land, be it Jews, Arabs or anybody else.

You still haven't not elaborated on how the Arabs of Palestine are not indigenous to their land, or how their national character corresponds to occupation.

We're waiting. You're failing. This is nothing new. Of course, being that you're a racist, backwards bigot with nothing better to do than support unsupportable causes, I expect to read more racist platitudes from you.

Proceed, bigot.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by tsedek

1. the U.N. is composed of countries around the world. the stupid fact that Sudan (out of all places) was once a 'president' of the human rights committee in the U.N. shows its abnormality. or... perhaps you agree with what Sudan is doing - in that case we don't even have the slightest ground of mutual morals.

2. no. in jenin 51 palestinians were killed of whom 39 were armed and in fighting (read: killing israelis) mode. fighters = soldiers. another 29 israeli soldiers were killed. due to their MORALS of not bombing the whole of the city from the air in order to prevent civilian fatalities. so NO! Jenin was NO WAY a "massacre". no matter how you prefer to turn and spin it.

1. Israel shares a lot in common with Sudan--what with ethnic cleansing as state policy and all.

2. Yes, according to your Israeli military report, which contradicts the vast majority of human rights organizations reports. Your military lies, genius. Just like any military on the planet does. Any military is an ideological brainwashing farm, and being that all your country's Jews go through it, you're all just a bunch of brainwashed bigots whose primary policy is built on racism and dominance over other ethnic groups.

Tell me--why would "the most moral army in the world" have so much to fear from TV cameras that they didn't let anybody inside Gaza during the recent campaign? What's there to hide? When you are essentially buying international support, it means you don't have a moral, historical, legal, or ethical case.

Good day.

[tsedek]

Originally Posted by Zayn

1. Israel shares a lot in common with Sudan--what with ethnic cleansing as state policy and all.

that was not the subject and is also a subjective opinion and nothing else.

Originally Posted by Zayn

2. Yes, according to your Israeli military report, which contradicts the vast majority of human rights organizations reports. Your military lies, genius.

Give me one source that says something else.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by tsedek

that was not the subject and is also a subjective opinion and nothing else.

Where am I being subjective here? What is Zionism? It is the establishment of a JEWISH state. This means that it cannot be majority Arab. Jews established their state in a land that is Arab, which means the Arabs had to go. Hence the Nakba. Your expansionist policies are occurring to this day as you attempt to ethnically cleanse Jerusalem and the West Bank with your terrorist policies against the Palestinian people. Hello? Avigdor Lieberman? Do I need to really lay down all the obvious facts to you or are you so brainwashed by your military establishment that you've learned to ignore facts in the face of propaganda and racist platitudes?

Give me one source that says something else.

Here's a source that cites Amnesty International's claims that the Zionists did perpetrate a massacre against the citizens of Jenin:

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Jenin 'massacre evidence growing'

Of course, you believe the reports of your terrorist military, who has a great incentive to cover up the terror it perpetrates as well as Colin "Iraq WMD" Powell who lied through his teeth to the UN Security Council about Iraq's so-called weapons of mass destruction and later about the massacre you Zionists perpetrated in Jenin.

Also notice how you Zionists choose to focus on Jenin whilst ignoring the numerous other massacres you racists and bigots perpetrated upon the Palestinians in Gaza and Lebanon. As if the supposed lack of evidence (according to your military) somehow vindicates the Israeli military from all wrongdoing-- and that this vindication extends for the thousands of other massacres and crimes you've committed against the people who are indigenous to the land that you bigots have usurped.