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Prove that Israelis used phosphorous weapons for the purpose of inflicting casualties.

BTW, kill ratio would be one of the ways to prove it:
Is wp very much effective at burning skin? Does wp only react when in contact with skin tissue and no other substance? And when wp comes into contact with skin tissue does it not burn it? Does wp burn its victim from the inside out if the victim happened to inhale the wp smoke?

Answer those and the answer would pretty clear as to the intentions of using such a chemical in a small enclosed area which happens to be the worlds most densely populated.
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Is wp very much effective at burning skin? Does wp only react when in contact with skin tissue and no other substance? And when wp comes into contact with skin tissue does it not burn it? Does wp burn its victim from the inside out if the victim happened to inhale the wp smoke?

Answer those and the answer would pretty clear as to the intentions of using such a chemical in a small enclosed area which happens to be the worlds most densely populated.
You are asking all the wrong or rather irrelevant questions.

You and I do not need to know technical aspects of WP action simply because none of us represents internationally recognized and respected entity. Our opinions do not count when criminal charges are leveled. However, HRW's does and it is their job to investigate and report. When they will report we will be able to appreciate real situation rather than engage in speculations.

BTW, after HRW reports it will be burden on IDF to respond whether by agreeing or by refuting the charges but eventually if there is no agreement everything may come down to court hearings.

Alternatively each of us does not have to wait for it but simply assume how thing are according to our personal bias(es). And this is exactly what we are doing.
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You are asking all the wrong or rather irrelevant questions.

You and I do not need to know technical aspects of WP action simply because none of us represents internationally recognized and respected entity. Our opinions do not count when criminal charges are leveled. However, HRW's does and it is their job to investigate and report. When they will report we will be able to appreciate real situation rather than engage in speculations.

BTW, after HRW reports it will be burden on IDF to respond whether by agreeing or by refuting the charges but eventually if there is no agreement everything may come down to court hearings.

Alternatively each of us does not have to wait for it but simply assume how thing are according to our personal bias(es). And this is exactly what we are doing.
My questions are irrelevant. Really now? Werent you the one that compared wp to firecrackers, were you not? And do my questions, yes or no, contradict with your comparison? If yes, so according to your logic, your comparison is also irrelevant.

Hmmmm . Well now Sir, if you one would answer my above questions and sees that wp does cause a huge amount of damage on skin tissue, and couple these revelations with the fact that Israel used it on an area abundant with people. Well now Sir, one would not need outside sources telling that throwing this kind of burning chemical on gaza (the world most densily populated area) is wrong, would he?
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Israel phosphorus inquiry demanded

A leading rights group has called for an international investigation into Israel's use of white phosphorus during its 22-day offensive in the Gaza Strip.
A report released by Human Rights Watch (HRW) on Thursday said that the munitions were fired "deliberately or recklessly" and over densely populated areas".
It said that the use of the chemical in populated areas was "in violation of the laws of war".

White phosphorus ignites on contact with oxygen and can burn away flesh to the bone.

"In Gaza, the Israeli military didn't just use white phosphorus in open areas as a screen for its troops," Fred Abrahams, senior emergencies researcher at HRW and co-author of the report, said.

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"It fired white phosphorus repeatedly over densely populated areas, even when its troops weren't in the area and safer smoke shells were available. As a result, civilians needlessly suffered and died."

HRW urged the UN to examine the use of white phosphorus as part of the world body's investigations into Israel's conduct in Gaza.

It also asked the US to halt all shipments of the munition to Israel until it had investigated whether white phosphorus was used in violation of international law or any arms-transfer agreements.

Israeli rejection

The Israeli army rejected the HRW claims and said its own investigations had so far proved that the army's use of white phosphorus was for "operational needs only".

"Based on the findings at this stage, it is already possible to conclude that the [army's] use of smoke shells was in accordance with international law," the army said in a statement.

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"These shells were used for specific operational needs only and in accord with international humanitarian law."

White phosphorus is designed to be used as a smoke screen in open areas and is used by many countries for that purpose.

However, human rights groups argue that its use in civilian neighbourhoods is illegal.

Chris Cobb-Smith, a security consultant who co-authored an Amnesty International report on the munitions' use, told Al Jazeera: "An important thing to remember about white phosphorus is that it is not an illegal weapons system. It is perfectly legal, but it must be used in the right way.

"It is illegal to fire at humans. It is even illegal to fire this weapons system at enemy troops."
The 71-page HRW report documents evidence of spent shells and white phosphorus found in residential areas, city streets, a hospital and a UN school.
The HRW report said: "Even if intended as an obscurant rather than as a weapon, the IDF's [Israeli Defence Force] repeated firing of air-burst white phosphorus shells from 155mm artillery into densely populated areas was indiscriminate and indicates the commission of war crimes."

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Dr Naseph Abu Shaban, head of the burns unit at Gaza's Shifa hospital, told Al Jazeera on Thursday that his staff struggled to cope with the casualties caused by the munition.


Many Palestinians died or were injured by white phosphorus during the Israeli offensive
"During the war, we received many cases of burns with white phosphorus - even complete families came to us burned to death, some of them charred," he said.

"This white phosphorus continues to burn for hours, it never stops burning until you deprive it of oxygen."

Sherine Tadros, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Gaza during the offensive, said: "When we were filming out on the ground we saw the remnants of white phosphorus shells.

"I remember one lady who showed me her wound. Taking off her bandages the smoke from her wound was still coming out.

"So this is very nasty stuff."

The HRW report said that senior Israeli commanders must have approved what they saw as a pattern or policy in white phosphorus use.

HRW has called for Israeli senior commanders to be held to account and for an international investigation to take place, since an Israeli army inquiry is likely to be neither "thorough" nor "impartial".

Israel originally denied using the munition during its war on the Gaza Strip, which began on December 27 last year, but later announced an internal investigation into its improper use.

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My questions are irrelevant. Really now? Werent you the one that compared wp to firecrackers, were you not? And do my questions, yes or no, contradict with your comparison? If yes, so according to your logic, your comparison is also irrelevant.

Hmmmm . Well now Sir, if you one would answer my above questions and sees that wp does cause a huge amount of damage on skin tissue, and couple these revelations with the fact that Israel used it on an area abundant with people. Well now Sir, one would not need outside sources telling that throwing this kind of burning chemical on gaza (the world most densily populated area) is wrong, would he?
Oh and if your comparing WP to firecrackers. Please categorize the rockets Hamas launches
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April 11, 2009

Israeli jets scramble to escort Delta flight

JERUSALEM—Israeli fighter jets were scrambled to escort a Delta Air Lines plane flying from New York to Tel Aviv after the pilot activated a hijacking alert by mistake.
Transportation ministry official, Dani Shenar, told Israeli media Saturday that nobody was hurt in the incident.

Source: Israeli jets scramble to escort Delta flight - Boston.com


April 25, 2009

Israeli Passenger held after trying to enter into the cockpit.
Delta diverts Israel-bound flight to Boston following mid-air drama

BOSTON - A Delta Air Lines flight from New York to Tel Aviv was diverted to Boston Friday after an unruly passenger rushed the cockpit.

NBC News reported that about five passengers and crew members grabbed and subdued an Israeli man after he ran to the front of the plane and pounded on the cockpit's door.

Officials identified the suspect as Atmor Itay, 22.

Source: Passenger held after pounding on cockpit door - News- msnbc.com



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The UN is nothing but a play tool in the hand of the US and Israel... ......


you gotta be joking :D

you're not serious, are you??

the U.N. is anti-Israel for 100%.

stop whining when they are forced to reveal the truth against their will...

jenin was one big theater play with the author being Palestinian 'extremists' wanting to (and forcing Palestinians who had totally different accounts of affairs) who how 'bad Israel' is.

pity for them that their lie was exposed right on.
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And being so closely watched Israel will never use anything illegal to avoid international outcry.

That was better than reading the post of an LFer


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I do not care about who reports the news, I am only interested in what can and cannot be verified.
As a last resort to find out the truth, you can always go and check it for yourself personally...but why do I think you dont care that much


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the U.N. is anti-Israel for 100%.
yeah like a paper tiger... as USA has stolen its teeth
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you gotta be joking :D

you're not serious, are you??

the U.N. is anti-Israel for 100%.

stop whining when they are forced to reveal the truth against their will...

jenin was one big theater play with the author being Palestinian 'extremists' wanting to (and forcing Palestinians who had totally different accounts of affairs) who how 'bad Israel' is.

pity for them that their lie was exposed right on.
If the Jenin massacre was a "theater play" then Auschwitz was nothing more than a German theme park.

You live in a terrorist state and you're a terrorist. Congratulations, you have no understanding of the people you murder in the name of your twisted, racist ideology and you will buy whatever diarrhea your terrorist leaders spew from their mouths.

Take your views outside of Israel and you will realize just how isolated your country is.
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you gotta be joking :D

you're not serious, are you??

the U.N. is anti-Israel for 100%.

stop whining when they are forced to reveal the truth against their will...

jenin was one big theater play with the author being Palestinian 'extremists' wanting to (and forcing Palestinians who had totally different accounts of affairs) who how 'bad Israel' is.

pity for them that their lie was exposed right on.
The UN is not an independent institution that can equal apply and enforce international law across the board. It is an organization that is controlled by the US, and thus indirectly by "Israel". "Israel" has always been shielded and protected by the US from any accountability either by using their veto power or by bullying and threatening other UN members and UN institutions to lay off the terrorist state.

No so-called "lie" was exposed in Jenin. Rather, the US threatened the UN and demanded that they stop their inquiry into the massacres, and therefore used their bullying power to clear "Israel." A massacre was clearly committed in Jenin by the most terrorist, cancerous, murderous, thuggish entity on this earth. However, no investigation was allowed to be undertaken because "Israel" must not exposed for what it is.
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