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Pro-Israeli, what's your point? That the Palestinians lied about 50 civilian deaths out of the hundeds that were actually killed? That the brave Israeli soldiers never mean any harm to Palestinian civilians? That we are all brainwashed into believing that children and civilians were brutally killed by the Israeli army? Jusk what the freaking hell is your point?
I do not dispute death figures, not here and not now anyway. I dispute accusations that Israelis used phosphorous weapons. Those scary looking, smoky things high up in the sky while are phosphorous-based are not weapons.
Is it possible people could and even got injured by those things? Yes, I am sure it is. But one can get hurt by firecracker just as easily.
You need to realize there are great many and much easier and widely acceptable ways to kill in the war. And being so closely watched Israel will never use anything illegal to avoid international outcry.
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Those scary looking, smoky things high up in the sky while are phosphorous-based are not weapons.
Is it possible people could and even got injured by those things? Yes, I am sure it is. But one can get hurt by firecracker just as easily.
One cannot immediatly discern that you are lacking in intelligence because some logic resides in the way of you argument your point of view. So one has to resort to think that you try to belittle ones intelligence with such an analysis. I think that you are trying to belittle our intelligence. When a "Smoke Producing" "Flare" is just as effective in burning skin as napalm. What do you call it?

Firecrackers do as much damage? So why doesnt the army save up and use firecrackers instead? They sure are cheaper.

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You need to realize there are great many and much easier and widely acceptable ways to kill in the war. And being so closely watched Israel will never use anything illegal to avoid international outcry.
Tell that to the human rights watch group. So your saying here that wp is indeed an illegal weapon?
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While it is true this is not what is being argued. You can get hurt by firecracker too but still firecracker is not designed to kill. The same with munitions in question. So, please do not confuse it with lethal chemical weapons. Thanks.
Oh I'm sorry, it's a lethal chemical weapon in a smoke-screen agent disguise.
Anyhow it is illegal to use WP on civilians. As the pictures show, they where used on civilians. Yes it may have ignited on a high altitude at first but the white posphorous was nonetheless used in civilian areas and the toxic properties of the chemical acted on them. Thank you again
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I do not dispute death figures, not here and not now anyway. I dispute accusations that Israelis used phosphorous weapons. Those scary looking, smoky things high up in the sky while are phosphorous-based are not weapons.
Is it possible people could and even got injured by those things? Yes, I am sure it is. But one can get hurt by firecracker just as easily.
You need to realize there are great many and much easier and widely acceptable ways to kill in the war. And being so closely watched Israel will never use anything illegal to avoid international outcry.
Well, you are simply wrong because

a) you assume that the Israelis actually care about any international outcry and

b) from wikipedia:

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This article is about the military applications of white phosphorus. For more general information, see phosphorus#Forms. For Phosphorus, see White phosphorus (weapon) (disambiguation).
White phosphorus (WP) is a flare- and smoke-producing incendiary weapon,[1] or smoke-screening agent, made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus. White phosphorus bombs and shells are incendiary devices, but can also be used as an offensive anti-personnel flame compound capable of causing serious burns or death.[2] The agent is used in bombs, artillery shells, and mortar shells which burst into burning flakes of phosphorus upon impact. White phosphorus is commonly referred to in military jargon as "WP". The slang term "Willy(ie) Pete" or "Willy(ie) Peter", dating from the First World War and common at least through the Vietnam era, is still occasionally heard.
White phosphorus weapons are controversial today because of their potential use against civilians. While the Chemical Weapons Convention does not designate WP as a chemical weapon, various unofficial groups consider it to be one. In recent years, the United States, Israel, Russia, and Argentina have used white phosphorus in combat.
Its use by the US has resulted in considerable controversy (see white phosphorus use in Iraq). Initial field reports from Iraq referred to white phosphorus use against insurgents,[3] but its use was officially denied until November, 2005,[4] when the Pentagon admitted[5] to the use of white phosphorus while stating that its use for producing obscuring smoke is legal and does not violate the Chemical Weapons Convention.[6] A Pentagon spokesman has also admitted that WP "was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants", though not against civilians.[7]
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What White-Phosphorus!? Israel Didn't Use any, You see israel took Extreme Measures in order to Safe-Guard Civillian Lives



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I Wonder what would Have really Happened If Israel Didn't Take Such Extreme Measures to Safe-Guard them...

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Jenin Camp was one of Many...

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Tripoli, in the pictures you posted, I see 17 terrorists, 2 tanks, 1 rocket launcher, and a training camp for terrorists...
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Tripoli, in the pictures you posted, I see 17 terrorists, 2 tanks, 1 rocket launcher, and a training camp for terrorists...
I do not know how you can see that but none of us can see a single injury on those pictures.

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Does anybody have verifiable information how many of those so called weapons Israelis used and how many people actually got killed or injured by those weapons?
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Does anybody have verifiable information how many of those so called weapons Israelis used and how many people actually got killed or injured by those weapons?

Tell me, if you do not believe Arab news organizations reports and do not believe in reports reported by humanitarian groups , what is a verifiable source for you?
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I do not know how you can see that but none of us can see a single injury on those pictures.

Question.

Does anybody have verifiable information how many of those so called weapons Israelis used and how many people actually got killed or injured by those weapons?
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more than a 1500 ppl died and more than 5000 Injured and Israel kept Using those weapons almost 24/7.

[]Anyway PINI can you then please tell me why was Israel using these weapons? for what purpose do you think They used these Harmless Flares? Maybe they got jealous of Dubai and decided to do thier Own Biggest Fireworks festival? Maybe next time We'll see beautiful MultiColored ones, You know, Made in china, So Why'd They use them?
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Tell me, if you do not believe Arab news organizations reports and do not believe in reports reported by humanitarian groups , what is a verifiable source for you?
I do not care about who reports the news, I am only interested in what can and cannot be verified.
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