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watch this video , keep in mind it's a western video so it of course is biased towards the rebels but still the facts are obvious

YouTube - The Oil Wars - Sudan



facts(from the video):
-southern Sudan has oil
-Western companies are trying to invest in the oil business in Sudan
-Rebels (from the south) are rebelling against the government over oil control

conclusion:
Can you guess who's arming the rebels?
Can you guess who's causing all this violence?
another economical invasion?
It's clear to me now why the west is so interested in the Darfour story, ya haram they feel bad for them, sure.
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watch this video , keep in mind it's a western video so it of course is biased towards the rebels but still the facts are obvious

YouTube - The Oil Wars - Sudan



facts(from the video):
-southern Sudan has oil
-Western companies are trying to invest in the oil business in Sudan
-Rebels (from the south) are rebelling against the government over oil control

conclusion:
Can you guess who's arming the rebels?
Can you guess who's causing all this violence?
another economical invasion?
It's clear to me now why the west is so interested in the Darfour story, ya haram they feel bad for them, sure.
thank you
You're not gonna say China are you?

Plz do tell us...
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You're not gonna say China are you?

Plz do tell us...
When Country "A" gives Oil to China Then Country "B" will be the Biggest enemy of Country "A" and will seek to pressure its Government and Destroy it if nesessary :)
Guess who Country "B" usually is

البشير متحديا الغرب من دارفور..نطالب بتجميد القرار وكل من وقف مع المحكمة تحت جزمتي
اتهم الرئيس السوداني عمر البشير الجهات التي سعت لإصدار قرار المحكمة الجنائية باعتقاله بأنهم يريدون المساومة داعيا سكان إقليم دارفور للتوحد وإنهاء خلافاتهم.
وفي خطاب له في إقليم دارفور الذي زاره اليوم الأحد لأول مرة منذ صدور قرار المحكمة، قال البشير: " في البداية قالوا سلموا أحمد هارون (وزير الدولة للشئون الإنسانية) أو ارفده (اعزله) أو يستقيل قلت لن يستقيل لأننا أحرار ببلادنا .. وفي النهاية قالوا لو رفضتوا عزل هارون سنعتقل الرئيس وقالوا اذا اعدتم المنظمات سنجمد القرار".
وأضاف : " نحن ضد التجميد يا أما يلغوا القرار أو يبلوا القرار ويشربوه .. ونحن لسنا متنطعين ونقول نحن جاهزين لكم ". وقال : " نحن متمسكون بكتاب الله ونحن اهل القران ".
وردد الحاضرون شعارات " جاهزين جاهزين لحماية الدين .. جاهزين جاهزين للدبابين ".
وقال البشير :" إن هذا البلد (السودان) أغلى من أن يباع بالدينار والدولار فهو بلد رويناه بالدم، كم من الشهداء دفناهم في هذه الأرض فهي أرض عزيزة كريمة".
وطالب الرئيس السوداني سكان دارفور بالتوحد قائلا : " نريد منكم أهل دارفور أن توحدوا صفوفكم وتوحدوا ذات بينكم .. تعرفون كيف تصلحوا مشاكلكم .حلوا مشاكلكلم وساووا صفوفكم".
وكرر البشير مقولته كل من وقف مع المحكمة تحت جزمتي دي.. وتحداهم أن يأتو وسط أهله الفور والزغاوة والمساليت دون أن يسألهم أحد من الحكومة ويشوفو رد المواطنين لهم.
وسترجع البشير التاريخ النضالي لبلاده قائلا: " نريد أن نريهم كما اريناهم إبان الثورة المهدية و انتفاضات الشمال والجنوب والشرق والغرب .. نحن جاهزون للموت والشهادة .. نحن نشتاق لشهداءنا".
واختتم حديثه بالقول : ""في سبيل الله قمنا نبتغي رفع اللواء .. لا لدنيا قد عملنا نحن للدين فداء ".
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World leaders (current and ex) that deserve to be taken to court for crimes against humanity (in no particluar order):
  • Omar Al Bashir
  • George W. Bush
  • Ehud Olmert
  • Robert Mugabe
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5 Truths About Darfur

1 Nearly everyone is Muslim

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Early in the conflict, I was traveling through the desert expanses of rebel-held Darfur when, amid decapitated huts and dead livestock, our SUV roared up to an abandoned green and white mosque, riddled with bullets, its windows shattered.
In my travels, I've seen destroyed mosques all over Darfur. The few men left in the villages shared the same story: As government Antonov jets dropped bombs, Janjaweed militia members rode in on horseback and attacked the town's mosque -- usually the largest structure in town. The strange thing, they said, was that the attackers were Muslim, too. Darfur is home to some of Sudan's most devout Muslims, in a country where 65 percent of the population practices Islam, the official state religion.
A long-running but recently pacified war between Sudan's north and south did have religious undertones, with the Islamic Arab-dominated government fighting southern Christian and animist African rebels over political power, oil and, in part, religion.
"But it's totally different in Darfur," said Mathina Mydin, a Malaysian nurse who worked in a clinic on the outskirts of Nyala, the capital of South Darfur. "As a Muslim myself, I wanted to bring the sides together under Islam. But I quickly realized this war had nothing to do with religion."

2 Everyone is black

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Although the conflict has also been framed as a battle between Arabs and black Africans, everyone in Darfur appears dark-skinned, at least by the usual American standards. The true division in Darfur is between ethnic groups, split between herders and farmers. Each tribe gives itself the label of "African" or "Arab" based on what language its members speak and whether they work the soil or herd livestock. Also, if they attain a certain level of wealth, they call themselves Arab.
Sudan melds African and Arab identities. As Arabs began to dominate the government in the past century and gave jobs to members of Arab tribes, being Arab became a political advantage; some tribes adopted that label regardless of their ethnic affiliation. More recently, rebels have described themselves as Africans fighting an Arab government. Ethnic slurs used by both sides in recent atrocities have riven communities that once lived together and intermarried.
"Black Americans who come to Darfur always say, 'So where are the Arabs? Why do all these people look black?' " said Mahjoub Mohamed Saleh, editor of Sudan's independent Al-Ayam newspaper. "The bottom line is that tribes have intermarried forever in Darfur. Men even have one so-called Arab wife and one so-called African. Tribes started labeling themselves this way several decades ago for political reasons. Who knows what the real bloodlines are in Darfur?"

3 It's all about politics

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Although analysts have emphasized the racial and ethnic aspects of the conflict in Darfur, a long-running political battle between Sudanese President Omar Hassan Bashir and radical Islamic cleric Hassan al-Turabi may be more relevant.
A charismatic college professor and former speaker of parliament, Turabi has long been one of Bashir's main political rivals and an influential figure in Sudan. He has been fingered as an extremist; before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks Turabi often referred to Osama bin Laden as a hero. More recently, the United Nations and human rights experts have accused Turabi of backing one of Darfur's key rebel groups, the Justice and Equality Movement, in which some of his top former students are leaders.
Because of his clashes with Bashir, Turabi is usually under house arrest and holds forth in his spacious Khartoum villa for small crowds of followers and journalists. But diplomats say he still mentors rebels seeking to overthrow the government.
"Darfur is simply the battlefield for a power struggle over Khartoum," said Ghazi Suleiman, a Sudanese human rights lawyer. "That's why the government hit back so hard. They saw Turabi's hand, and they want to stay in control of Sudan at any cost."

4 This conflict is international

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China and Chad have played key roles in the Darfur conflict.
In 1990, Chad's Idriss Deby came to power by launching a military blitzkrieg from Darfur and overthrowing President Hissan Habre. Deby hails from the elite Zaghawa tribe, which makes up one of the Darfur rebel groups trying to topple the government. So when the conflict broke out, Deby had to decide whether to support Sudan or his tribe. He eventually chose his tribe.
Now the Sudanese rebels have bases in Chad; I interviewed them in towns full of Darfurians who tried to escape the fighting. Meanwhile, Khartoum is accused of supporting Chad's anti-Deby rebels, who have a military camp in West Darfur. (Sudan's government denies the allegations.) Last week, bands of Chadian rebels nearly took over the capital, N'Djamena. When captured, some of the rebels were carrying Sudanese identification.
Meanwhile, Sudan is China's fourth-biggest supplier of imported oil, and that relationship carries benefits. China, which holds veto power in the U.N. Security Council, has said it will stand by Sudan against U.S. efforts to slap sanctions on the country and in the battle to force Sudan to replace the African Union peacekeepers with a larger U.N. presence. China has built highways and factories in Khartoum, even erecting the Friendship Conference Hall, the city's largest public meeting place.

5 The "genocide" label made it worse

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Many of the world's governments have drawn the line at labeling Darfur as genocide. Some call the conflict a case of ethnic cleansing, and others have described it as a government going too far in trying to put down a rebellion.
But in September 2004, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell referred to the conflict as a "genocide." Rather than spurring greater international action, that label only seems to have strengthened Sudan's rebels; they believe they don't need to negotiate with the government and think they will have U.S. support when they commit attacks. Peace talks have broken down seven times, partly because the rebel groups have walked out of negotiations. And Sudan's government has used the genocide label to market itself in the Middle East as another victim of America's anti-Arab and anti-Islamic policies.
Perhaps most counterproductive, the United States has failed to follow up with meaningful action. "The word 'genocide' was not an action word; it was a responsibility word," Charles R. Snyder, the State Department's senior representative on Sudan, told me in late 2004. "There was an ethical and moral obligation, and saying it underscored how seriously we took this." The Bush administration's recent idea of sending several hundred NATO advisers to support African Union peacekeepers falls short of what many advocates had hoped for.
"We called it a genocide and then we wine and dine the architects of the conflict by working with them on counterterrorism and on peace in the south," said Ted Dagne, an Africa expert for the Congressional Research Service. "I wish I knew a way to improve the situation there. But it's only getting worse."

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Ofcourse Some of the Above is not True Because Darfur's population speaks Arabic but the Problem is against some Nomadic Tribes In Darfur (also muslims) and This problem Has been Going on for a Decades and Decades before Sudan...
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السودان يؤكد مقتل المئات في غارات أميركية شرقي البلاد
كشف وزير الدولة بوزارة النقل السودانية مبروك مبارك سليم النقاب عن مقتل نحو ثمانمائة شخص بينهم صوماليون وإثيوبيون وإريتريون وسودانيون, في غارتين جويتين قامت بهما ثلاث طائرات من الأسطول الأميركي في البحر الأحمر نهاية يناير/كانون الثاني وبداية فبراير/شباط الماضييْن.

وأوضح سليم أن الغارات استهدفت عددا من السيارات شمال غرب مدينة بورسودان في شرق البلاد, يعتقد أنها كانت محملة بكميات من الأسلحة التقليدية.

وقالت مصادر سودانية إن أكثر من 50 شخصا نجوا وتلقوا العلاج في مستشفى مدينة كسلا شرق السودان. وكانت وسائل إعلام أميركية وإسرائيلية قد قالت إن هذا القصف استهدف قافلة كانت محملة بالأسلحة في طريقها إلى غزة.

ونفى وزير الدولة السوداني للجزيرة نقل أسلحة إلى غزة, وقال إن القافلة كانت تخص جماعات تهريب واتجار بالبشر, مشيرا إلى أن الأسلحة التي كانت معهم خفيفة ولا تتعدى الكلاشينكوف بغرض الحماية.

ووصف الوزير السودان بأنه دولة ممر وليس دولة منشأ لعمليات التهريب, قائلا "نحن ضد تهريب البشر والسلاح".

وردا على سؤال بشأن الجهة التي نفذت القصف وهل هي أميركية أم إسرائيلية, أشار الوزير السوداني إلى أن الولايات المتحدة وإسرائيل وقعتا مؤخرا اتفاقا لمنع تهريب السلاح.

وكانت مصادر صحفية في مصر والولايات المتحدة قد تحدثت عن الغارات مؤخرا ورجحت نقلا عن مصادر سودانية لم تسمها كما ذكرت رويترز أن طائرات إسرائيلية هي التي نفذت الهجوم.

كما نقلت صحيفة الشروق المصرية عن مصادر سودانية لم تسمها أن طائرات أميركية شاركت في الغارات التي قالت إنها خلفت 39 قتيلا. وقد رفضت السفارة الأميركية في الخرطوم التعليق على تلك الأنباء.


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U.S. Accused Of Killing 39 In Sudan Strike

A government minister in Sudan is accusing the United States Air Force of killing dozens of people in that north African country this past January – but the semi-official American version of the story is very different.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin has been told that Israeli aircraft carried out the attack. Israeli intelligence is said to have discovered that weapons were being trucked through Sudan, heading north toward Egypt, whereupon they would cross the Sinai Desert and be smuggled into Hamas-held territory in Gaza.

In January, the U.S. signed an agreement with Israel that calls for an international effort to stop arms smuggling into Gaza. Hamas was showering rockets on Israeli towns, and Israel had responded by invading Gaza. More than 1,000 Palestinians were reportedly killed in the December-January war, and 13 Israelis lost their lives.

In the airstrike in Sudan – said to have been "in a desert area northwest of Port Sudan city, near Mount al-Sha’anoon," according to SudanTribune.com – 39 people riding in 17 trucks were reportedly killed.

The first government official in Sudan to talk about it was the state minister for highways, Mabrouk Mubarak Saleem, who said: "A major power bombed small trucks carrying arms – burning all of them. It killed Sudanese, Eritreans, and Ethiopians and injured others."

According to SudanTribune.com, the airstrike was an "embarrassment" to Sudan’s government, and it discussed the matter with Egypt’s government – allied with the U.S. on most issues – "to gather more information to formulate a response."

The Web site added: "American and Israeli diplomats said the [January] agreement includes intelligence coordination to prevent arms from Iran from entering Gaza, maritime efforts to identify ships carrying weaponry, and the sharing of U.S. and European technologies to discover and prevent the use of weapons-smuggling tunnels."

If Israeli airplanes carried out the attack in Sudan, it would suggest that there is a shadow war against Hamas and its weapons sources that is wider than the Israeli or U.S. government has revealed.

Dan Raviv is a CBS News correspondent in Washington.

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Omar el Bashir in Sudan is just like Saddam Hussein in Iraq

You can't live with him and you can't live without him!
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I think that Lebanon is doing a grave mistake not accepting the International Court's decision.

If people want to see governments falling because of their committed crimes they're gonna have to be more honest with each other.

That guy killed people who opposed him, he was convicted of crimes against Humanity and our country is defending him, that makes us accessory to the crime...

We probably deserved to be beaten by the Syrians because apparently there's nothing wrong in that....
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I think that Lebanon is doing a grave mistake not accepting the International Court's decision.

If people want to see governments falling because of their committed crimes they're gonna have to be more honest with each other.

That guy killed people who opposed him, he was convicted of crimes against Humanity and our country is defending him, that makes us accessory to the crime...

We probably deserved to be beaten by the Syrians because apparently there's nothing wrong in that....
You're right, but in the greater scheme of things, Lebanon matters little (if at all) when it comes to international politics. Our government might as well claim that it was beamed into power by an alien force, and the International Community wouldn't even blink. We can say whatever we want and get away with it because we don't matter.
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