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Default Omar Hassan Bashir, criminal or victim? - 5th March 2009

I have to say that the issue of Omar Hassan Bashir, the President of Sudan, is confusing. The ICC says he is a criminal but on TV we see demonstrations supporting him (I even once saw him on TV in Darfur with no bodyguards). It also seems that there is reconciliation going on in Sudan, so I doubt he is another Saddam Hussein. I also remarked that the ICC wants to charge him for being indirectly responsible for war crimes but not for genocide, while in the past, we were hearing that the Sudanese government committed a genocide in Darfur.
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I do not possess the necessary informations to make a judgment on this issue.
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Ask the Chinese and the Americans.

They know best :)
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Ask the Chinese and the Americans.

They know best :)
I don't know much about the Americans, but I can assure you that the Chinese have been doing a great job in Sudan. They have kept pressure on the Sudanese government to stop the massacres and the fighting.

Whether you believe it or not, China has interests in having the fighting stop. The degrading security concerns in Sudan may actually affect Chinese interests. In fact, China has done more than the EU and the US together to pressure the Sudanese government, and have on many occasions risked getting into trouble because of their nagging!
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Certainly this is also a political issue with big powers in the mix, but we've been hearing about Darfur for years now, and there is SOMENE killing those people in Darfur. But the fact that many human rights organizations, some of whom excel at what they do, have been reporting about this for a while and support the warrant again Bashir, leads me to believe the accusations with little doubt. I'd buy their credibility over Sudan's govt. any day, any time. So fundamentally the issue is a human rights one, and Bashir is most likely guilty, even if politics will be playing around. I'd say da** him.

Its a disgrace to the world that they were allowed to get away with this for so long.

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ICC: Bashir Warrant a Major Step Toward Justice for Victims in Darfur March 4, 2009

Letter from Darfuri Women to the African Union and Arab League
ICC: Bashir Warrant Is Warning to Abusive Leaders
‘Justice for Darfur’ Campaign Launched

The ICC represents the best hope for justice for the victims of Darfur. The international community must ensure that Sudan complies with its obligation to cooperate with the ICC, including by handing over anyone subject to an arrest warrant.

Dismas Nkunda of the International Refugee Rights Initiative (The Hague) - Today's decision by the International Criminal Court (ICC) to issue an arrest warrant for Sudanese president General Omar al-Bashir is a major step toward combating impunity associated with the horrific crimes in Darfur, said a coalition of 46 organizations from the Justice for Darfur campaign. President al-Bashir is wanted by the court for crimes against humanity and war crimes.

Justice for Darfur called on the international community to press Sudanese authorities to comply with their obligations to execute the warrant. The government of Sudan has failed to bring to justice any of those responsible for crimes under international law in Darfur, and has so far refused to cooperate with the ICC and to surrender any of the suspects.

"The ICC represents the best hope for justice for the victims of Darfur," said Dismas Nkunda of the International Refugee Rights Initiative. "The international community must ensure that Sudan complies with its obligation to cooperate with the ICC, including by handing over anyone subject to an arrest warrant."

In 2005, the UN Security Council mandated the prosecutor of the ICC to investigate and prosecute crimes committed in Darfur since 2002. The court has now issued three arrest warrants, for: President al-Bashir, current State Minister for Humanitarian Affairs Ahmad Haroun, and Janjaweed leader Ali Kushayb. The ICC prosecutor has also requested arrest warrants for three rebel leaders implicated in attacks on international peacekeepers in Darfur.

The Justice for Darfur campaign also called on UN Security Council members to remain committed to the independence of the ICC and to reject any attempt to invoke article 16 of the Rome Statute, which would defer investigation and prosecution of crimes under international law in Darfur.

Over recent months, some Sudanese officials have threatened that issuing an arrest warrant for al-Bashir would jeopardize the safety of the UN staff and infrastructure as well as humanitarian staff in Sudan.

The Justice for Darfur campaign also expressed concerns about the increasing harassment faced by human rights defenders and others in Sudan who have spoken out in support of justice for the victims in Darfur.

"The UN Security Council should make clear to Sudanese authorities that threats or attacks against UN peacekeepers, humanitarian workers, or civilians in Darfur or elsewhere in Sudan in retaliation for the ICC's decision to issue an arrest warrant are not acceptable," said the Justice for Darfur campaign.

The government of Sudan is required by international law to ensure the safe and unhindered access of humanitarian personnel as well as the delivery of humanitarian assistance to those in need in Darfur, in particular to the internally displaced. Deliberate attacks on personnel involved in humanitarian or peacekeeping missions, by any party to the conflict, constitute war crimes under international law.

The international community's strong support for the work of the ICC is essential to enable the court to provide justice in Darfur.

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In March 2005, the Security Council adopted resolution 1593 referring the situation in Darfur since 1 July 2002 to the ICC Prosecutor and decided "that the Government of Sudan and all other parties to the conflict in Darfur, shall cooperate fully with and provide any necessary assistance to the Court and the Prosecutor". Although Sudan has not ratified the Rome Statute which created the ICC, it is obligated under Chapter VII of the UN Charter to implement the Security Council resolution.

In April 2007, the Court issued arrest warrants for state Minister for Humanitarian Affairs Ahmad Harun and former Janjaweed leader Ali Kushayb, both suspected of having committed war crimes and crimes against humanity. The Sudanese government has repeatedly refused to cooperate with the Court and to arrest and hand over the two suspects,

In June 2008, the UN Security Council renewed its call to "the Government of Sudan and all other parties to the conflict in Darfur to cooperate fully with the Court, consistent with resolution 1593 (2005), in order to put an end to impunity for the crimes committed in Darfur".

On 14 July 2008, the ICC prosecutor asked Pre Trial Chamber I to issue an arrest warrant against President al-Bashir, on ten counts of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

On 20 November 2008, the Prosecutor sought arrest warrants against three Darfur-based rebel leaders on allegations of war crimes committed against African Union peacekeepers in Haskanita in September 2007.

The ICC Pre-Trial Chamber I reviewed the evidence submitted by the prosecutor to determine whether to grant the request of 14 July 2008. The arrest warrant for crimes against humanity and war crimes has been issued today because the Pre-Trial Chamber judges were satisfied that there are "reasonable grounds to believe" that President al-Bashir has committed the alleged crimes.

Organizations that are signatories of this statement include:

Action de la Jeunesse Guinéenne pour l'Aide au Développement et à la Prospérité
Action des Chrétiens Activistes des Droits de l'Homme à Shabunda
Action des Chrétiens pour l'Abolition de la Torture - France
Action pour les Droits humains et l'amitié
Aegis Trust
African Development and Peace Initiative
Americans Against the Darfur Genocide
Amnesty International
Arab Center for Independence of the judiciary and the legal profession - Egypt
Arab coalition for Darfur
Arab program for human rights Activists
Bahrain Centre for Human Rights
Bahrain Human Rights Society
Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies
The Civil Resource Development and Documentation Centre
Coalition for the International Criminal Court
Collectif Urgence Darfour
Damascus Center for Human Rights Studies
Darfurhilfe Verein e.V.
Darfur Reconciliation and Development organization
Darfur Rehabilitation Project
Darfur Union UK
Fédération internationale de l'Action des chrétiens pour l'abolition de la torture
Fédération Internationale des ligues des Droits de l'Homme
Forum pour le renforcement de la société civile - FORSC Burundi
Gambia Moral Coalition
Genocide Alert
Human Rights First
Human Rights Watch
International Criminal Court Student Network
International Refugee Rights Initiative
Justice for the World
Kenya Human Rights Commission
Moroccan Center for Human Rights
No Peace without Justice
Parliamentarians for Global Action
Prepared Society - Kenya
Rencontre africaine pour la défense des droits de l'Homme - Senegal
Recherches et Documentation Juridiques Africaines a.s.b.l.
Save Darfur Canada
Save Darfur Coalition
Socio-Economic Rights & Accountability Project - Nigeria
Stand Canada
Stiftung Nord-Süd-Brücken
UN Watch
Waging Peace


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Hahaha No need for Confusion, You see Bachir is Not the Victim nor was Saddam But the People of those Countries were The Victims, Just wait and see....
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I have to say that the issue of Omar Hassan Bashir, the President of Sudan, is confusing. The ICC says he is a criminal but on TV we see demonstrations supporting him (I even once saw him on TV in Darfur with no bodyguards). It also seems that there is reconciliation going on in Sudan, so I doubt he is another Saddam Hussein. I also remarked that the ICC wants to charge him for being indirectly responsible for war crimes but not for genocide, while in the past, we were hearing that the Sudanese government committed a genocide in Darfur.

When the ICC declares Bush and the Israeli generals and politicians responsible for the massacres in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine as war criminals only then can they have any semblance of justice and credibility.
They are making a mockery of justice just like the judges responsible for detaining the four generals in Lebanon.
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When the ICC declares Bush and the Israeli generals and politicians responsible for the massacres in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine as war criminals only then can they have any semblance of justice and credibility.
They are making a mockery of justice just like the judges responsible for detaining the four generals in Lebanon.
So ya3ne if Israeli and American war criminals r not brought to justice, other criminals should not be brought to justice?
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So ya3ne if Israeli and American war criminals r not brought to justice, other criminals should not be brought to justice?
No,that's not exactly what he meant.

It's just the word "justice" that is not in its right place in this whole charade.

Bashir might probably be guilty,but as much as each world leader is guilty of his own share of the crimes committed in Darfur.(And elsewhere too)

Yet they all conspired to get rid of him.

Fine.

But they also deserve the same fate,and even a worse one,and well before him.


So it is a real crime to qualify this as being "justice"...Too bad ,thanks to the US and Israel,this word do not mean much today...because they keep abusing it everyday.
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No,that's not exactly what he meant.

It's just the word "justice" that is not in its right place in this whole charade.

Bashir might probably be guilty,but as much as each world leader is guilty of his own share of the crimes committed in Darfur.(And elsewhere too)

Yet they all conspired to get rid of him.

Fine.

But they also deserve the same fate,and even a worse one,and well before him.


So it is a real crime to qualify this as being "justice"...Too bad ,thanks to the US and Israel,this word do not mean much today...because they keep abusing it everyday.

Well you are correct in that each world leader is guilty of some crimes and no one is free of sin, BUT Bachir is in a whole other league. The man committed genocide - over 200,000 killed! He is the worst of the worst!
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