Obama calls for a "demilitarized" Palestinian State

[Zayn]

US president calls for demilitarized PA state' | Middle East | Jerusalem Post

The state would be fully contiguous, democratic, and have East Jerusalem as its capitol.

The catch is that the Palestinians will be barred from having their own military or entering military pacts with other countries, and will have to give up the Right of Return of refugees to Israel.

Yet another failed model for more failed negotiations. What's the point of even giving us a state if we cannot protect ourselves against the most aggressive power in the region, and whose colonialist addiction is so insatiable that they are on the verge of destroying the demographics of their own country?

Let the third Intifada begin.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Zayn

Let the third Intifada begin.

Will you throw the first stone?

Problem is that the israeli soldiers will answer back with bullets, thus here goes again the circle of violence.

I do think USA can never solve or mediate a solution which satisfies both sides.
Maybe once, 100 years later there will be a will on both sides for peace, unless one side would be totally eliminated by then.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by Salome

Will you throw the first stone?

Problem is that the israeli soldiers will answer back with bullets, thus here goes again the circle of violence.

I do think USA can never solve or mediate a solution which satisfies both sides.
Maybe once, 100 years later there will be a will on both sides for peace, unless one side would be totally eliminated by then.

Throwing a stone does not mean you must physically pick up a rock and throw it at a tank, despite the fact that I would relish the opportunity to do so. There are other methods of fighting occupation. However, I am not calling for an Intifada, I'm stating the inevitable outcome of failed negotiations, as this plan is destined for nothing but failure.

Furthermore, if the Israelis answer stones with bullets, then why are the Palestinians suddenly perpetuating a "cycle of violence"? Look at how you totally ignore the occupation and past crimes perpetrated by Zionists and instead choose to focus on what you perceive as "wrong" by the Arab side as you always do. This is obviously anti-Arab thinking that has been hardwired into your brain, as you've been brainwashed into believing you're a Phoenician or a Martian or some other extinct species that existed in 5000 BC.

I know this blows your mind, but most people realize that sacrifice is the only way to make gains.

In any case, if this demilitarized garbage is Obama's official plan for peace between Palestinians and Jews, then I am calling off a two-state settlement permanently.

One state, two peoples, three religions--Palestine.

EDIT: I would also like to point out that I don't see you criticizing Lebanese resistance (Hezbollah), however, when it comes to the Palestinian resistance, you're suddenly critical of it. Why? Because the political party you support derives all of its legitimacy and political backing from the Lebanese resistance. Just thought I'd point out this irony. When it comes to the Lebanese resistance, I doubt you'd say that Hezbollah should have sought an alternative method in dealing with the occupation of Southern Lebanon.

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by Zayn

EDIT: I would also like to point out that I don't see you criticizing Lebanese resistance (Hezbollah), however, when it comes to the Palestinian resistance, you're suddenly critical of it. Why? Because the political party you support derives all of its legitimacy and political backing from the Lebanese resistance. Just thought I'd point out this irony. When it comes to the Lebanese resistance, I doubt you'd say that Hezbollah should have sought an alternative method in dealing with the occupation of Southern Lebanon.

There is a world of a difference between the Hezbollah resistance and the Palestinian one. Hezbollah never tried to occupy another Arab country, thinking that the road to liberation passes through that country. The Palestinian resistance lost most of our sympathy because we almost lost our country to it. And many communities in Lebanon still suffer the horrors committed by this so-called resistance during its presence in Lebanon, making it no different than the Zionist atrocities commiited in Palestinian towns. In our eyes, the Israelis and Palestinian can keep at each other until they both disappear, we simply don't care. At least they will be busy with each other instead.

We deplore what the Israelis did in Gaza do the Palestinian women, children, and civilians, and we hope that the Palestinians never forgive and forget (like the pope wants them to). I support your call for a third intifada because Obama's solution makes no sense.

[TripolySunni]

Revolution continues...
A Third intifada would remind the world again and again that THERE IS A PEOPLE UNDER OCCUPATION.

[Orange Patriot]

Originally Posted by Zayn

US president calls for demilitarized PA state' | Middle East | Jerusalem Post

The state would be fully contiguous, democratic, and have East Jerusalem as its capitol.

The catch is that the Palestinians will be barred from having their own military or entering military pacts with other countries, and will have to give up the Right of Return of refugees to Israel.

Yet another failed model for more failed negotiations. What's the point of even giving us a state if we cannot protect ourselves against the most aggressive power in the region, and whose colonialist addiction is so insatiable that they are on the verge of destroying the demographics of their own country?

Let the third Intifada begin.

I read the article that u linked us to, but nowhere in there does it mention that obama has taken this position. Perhaps you got your information from elsewhere?

Below I quote the part from teh articel that referes to the right of return:

He [Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon] denied reports in the Hebrew press that Obama had drafted a Middle East peace plan calling for a democratic, contiguous and demilitarized Palestinian state whose borders would be determined by territorial exchanges with Israel.

According to the reports, the Old City of Jerusalem would be established as an international zone. The initiative would require the Palestinians to give up their claim of a "right of return," and Europe and the US would arrange compensation for refugees, including passports for those residing abroad.


Arab countries would institute confidence-building measures to clear the air with Israel. When Palestinian statehood would be achieved, diplomatic and economic relations would be established between Israel and Arab states.

"I don't know of any Obama plan that has been finalized," said Ayalon, who has been briefed on the closed-door meetings between Netanyahu and Obama. "Don't believe the headlines. What was in the papers was mere speculation, and there is no substance to it," he said.



Ayalon later goes on to say that HE would oppose all of the above:

Ayalon said his Israel Beiteinu Party would oppose the internationalization of Jerusalem and the relinquishing of Israeli sovereignty in the "holy basin" around the Old City. He said the party would also insist that Israel not take in a single Palestinian refugee, citing legal, moral and historical grounds.


Did i miss something?

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

There is a world of a difference between the Hezbollah resistance and the Palestinian one. Hezbollah never tried to occupy another Arab country, thinking that the road to liberation passes through that country. The Palestinian resistance lost most of our sympathy because we almost lost our country to it. And many communities in Lebanon still suffer the horrors committed by this so-called resistance during its presence in Lebanon, making it no different than the Zionist atrocities commiited in Palestinian towns. In our eyes, the Israelis and Palestinian can keep at each other until they both disappear, we simply don't care. At least they will be busy with each other instead.

We deplore what the Israelis did in Gaza do the Palestinian women, children, and civilians, and we hope that the Palestinians never forgive and forget (like the pope wants them to). I support your call for a third intifada because Obama's solution makes no sense.

Despite everything that happened during the civil war, which I'm not willing to discuss at the moment, the mere difference between HA and the Palestinian resistance remains the latter has a noble cause while the former is just using it to cover his Multi-Purpose, Iranian backed armed branch.

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by Saladin

Despite everything that happened during the civil war, which I'm not willing to discuss at the moment, the mere difference between HA and the Palestinian resistance remains the latter has a noble cause while the former is just using it to cover his Multi-Purpose, Iranian backed armed branch.

Please don't fall into the trap that's being prepared for the Arabs-- i.e. replacing the Israeli enemy with Iran.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

Please don't fall into the trap that's being prepared for the Arabs-- i.e. replacing the Israeli enemy with Iran.

I'm not replacing anything by anyone, just making things clear. Israel is the ultimate devil and enemy, no one can change this fact. However this doesnt mean we should keep a blind eye on other projects in the region that seek expansion over our (i.e. arabs) account.

[3asheq Beirut]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

Please don't fall into the trap that's being prepared for the Arabs-- i.e. replacing the Israeli enemy with Iran.

That is true, but you are falling into the same trap by comparing the Palestinian resistance to "Israel" in your post above.