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Norman Finkelstein arrested in Israel
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The American academic Norman Finkelstein has been arrested and ordered deported from Israel. Finkelstein arrived in Tel Aviv earlier today on his way to the Occupied Territories. He was immediately detained and told he is banned from Israel for ten years. He’s expected to be deported tomorrow. Finkelstein is known one of the most prominent academic critics of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.


JERUSALEM, May 23: The US political author and critic of Israel Norman Finkelstein was denied entry to the Jewish state on Friday, his lawyer said.

Finkelstein landed at Ben Gurion international airport near Tel Aviv in the early morning and was told by a representative of the ministry of interior that he would not be allowed into the country on ’security’ grounds, attorney Michael Sfard told dpa.

‘This usually means a 10-year ban on entry,’ Sfard added.

Finkelstein, who is Jewish and the son of Holocaust survivors, has written critical books on Israeli policies in the Palestinian territories and on what he called ‘exploitation’ of the Jewish tragedy during World War II.

Finkelstein has received with the fierce disapproval of some authors and academics, while others have praised his controversial works.
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Finkelstein and Me


By Khalid Amayreh • May 26th, 2008 at 10:06

Seeking to punish critics for communicating the truth about Israel to the world, Israel has barred an American scholar from entering the country and a Palestinian journalist from leaving the occupied territories for a brief trip to Germany.

Israel’s chief domestic intelligence agency, the Shin Bet, as it is known by its Hebrew acronym, has detained and deported Professor Norman Finkelstein, a prominent American Jewish historian and intellectual.

Finkelstein is a well-known critic of the apartheid Israeli state, especially its 41-year-old Nazi-like occupation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.

He is also the author of a famous book entitled “The Holocaust Industry,” in which he accused Israel and allied Zionist circles of using the memory of Holocaust victims for political ends.

Finkelstein arrived at the Ben Gurion Airport Friday, 23 May, for a visit to friends in the city of Hebron, where nearly 200,000 Palestinian citizens are effectively held hostage to the whims and moods of a few hundred fanatical Jewish settlers who believe that non-Jews in Israel/Palestine ought to be treated as water carriers and wood hewers, or expelled and/or exterminated.

However, upon his arrival at the airport, the 55-year-old professor was unceremoniously whisked away to a nearby Shin Bet office where he was interrogated for several hours on his views.

Shortly before he was put on a plane back to Amsterdam, his point of departure, the Jewish historian was told that he wouldn’t be able to visit Israel for ten years.

Finkelstein is the son of survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto and concentration camps. He wrote in his book, “I do care about the memory of my family’s persecution. The current campaign of the Holocaust industry to extort money from Europe in the name of the needy Holocaust victims has shrunk the moral stature of their martyrdom to that of a Montecarlo casino.”

Predictably the powerful Zionist establishment, both in Israel and North America, couldn’t tolerate his daring and meticulously documented criticisms. In 2007, he was forced to leave DePaul University following a virulent vilification campaign from powerful Zionist organizations, including the contribution of Professor Alan Dershowitz, the stalwart supporter of apartheid in Israel.

And now my story: A few weeks ago, I received an invitation from the German Institute for External Relations to attend a conference on how journalists ought to reconcile patriotism with journalistic professionalism in wartime. I went to the German representative office in Ramallah where I was interviewed on my political orientation and whether I had any association with organizations the German government considers “terrorist.”

I have always been and continue to be an independent-minded journalist. I never belonged to or was a member of any political organization or party. True, like everyone else, I do hold certain views with regard to the Israeli occupation of my country and oppression of my people. But so what? After all, no honest person under the sun would or should expect us to love our tormentors. Do Jews love their tormentors?

I have made laborious efforts and knocked on many doors to obtain a permit that would enable me to travel abroad for the two-day conference. Interestingly, I have not been allowed to travel abroad for 13 years, apart from a brief trip Mecca and Medina with my late mother for the Haj pilgrimage in 1997.

Last week, I went to the local District Coordination Office (DCO) in Dura, my town, hoping that they would be able to help. The office forwarded my personal details to the Shin Bet office in Hebron. However, the next day, I was told rather tersely that I was “barred from traveling for security reasons.” No further details were given.

In the process, I discovered the painful truth that the Palestinian Authority DCO officials were no more than insignificant middlemen between the Israeli occupation authorities and Palestinian citizens. They had absolutely no authority or influence, which generally epitomizes the overall status of the entire PA vis-à-vis Israel.

Last week, I was advised to go to the Israeli army Civil Administration Headquarters in Hebron in an effort to obtain a security clearance or at least explain my case to officials there.

There I saw dozens of Palestinian permit-seekers stuffed like farm animals in a metal pen, waiting to be allowed admittance. I was told that some people there had been waiting their turn for ten hours. Some of the people urgently needed a travel permit for medical purposes such as undergoing an urgent surgical operation at an East Jerusalem hospital.

I calculated that even if I had to experience the humiliation of languishing for 10 or 15 hours in that pen-like metal corridor, constantly monitored by trigger-happy soldiers in nearby military watchtowers, there was no guarantee that I would be allowed to get in and meet a security official to whom I would be able to explain my case.

In fact, it was abundantly clear that the soldiers enjoyed the indescribable humiliation and persecution Palestinian permit-seekers were going through on a daily basis at the notorious facility.

I really thought that the “Civil Administration Office” was a stark misnomer and that a truly appropriate name for the hateful facility would be “the Central Humiliation Station”, since there was absolutely nothing civilized about it.

A few days ago, I called Hussein Sheikh, head of the Civilian Affairs Coordination Office in the West Bank, and explained my problem to him.

I informed him that I was never arrested or detained by the Israelis and that there was no real justification for barring me from traveling. He concurred and asked me to fax him my details.

However, after waiting several days, it was clear that the Israeli occupation authorities paid no attention to his “mediation” on my behalf.

Some people here have suggested that I ask some erstwhile collaborators for help. However, I know well that broaching an Israeli dog to intercede with the Israelis for me was asking me for too much. After all, I spent half of my life exposing these malignant outgrowths that enabled Israel to achieve many of their murderous goals in Palestine.

Fettering journalists

Needless to say, Israel, which classifies Palestinians into either terrorists who ought to be annihilated or quisling-like collaborators, has no right to deny Palestinian journalists freedom of movement, internally or externally. Indeed, without this freedom, a journalist can hardly carry out his job properly.

As Palestinian journalists, we can’t be expected to compromise our honesty and professionalism for the sake of getting a travel permit from an occupying power that calls itself the freest and only democratic state in the Middle East.

We cannot adopt the Israeli narratives, use the Israeli jargon and parrot the Israeli lies. Our responsibility is first and foremost is to our conscience.

Israel and her supporters in North America and Europe claim ad nauseam that it is a democratic state.

But truly democratic states don’t impose town-arrests on journalists because their writings are deemed non-conformist.

Indeed, a state that behaves this way must be hopelessly insecure to the hilt, otherwise one is prompted to wonder what security risks would result from allowing a journalist to travel to Germany, a state that embraces Israel and Zionism heart and soul?

Is Israel worried that people like Khalid Amayreh and Norman Finkelstein would expose its criminality more than it has already been exposed? Is this the reason why the Israeli authorities are trying to fetter people’s freedom of movement?

Israel has no right to grossly violate people’s human and civil rights in the name of an amorphous and wantonly abused mantra called “security.”

Israel, which had left no stone unturned to get the government of the former Soviet Union to allow Nathan Sharansky and other so-called “Prisoners of Zion” to leave Russia, is very much committing the same crime by denying thousands, or probably tens of thousands, of Palestinians their inalienable right to travel abroad for religious, professional, business, health or recreational reasons.

We are not Israeli citizens, and Israel has no sovereignty over us. Hence, the draconian repression is incompatible with international law.

Hence, I call on my colleagues around the world to strongly protest this violation of my natural and human right to travel, first as a human being and second as a journalist.

Finally, a few words to the Palestinian Authority. You are maintaining a huge bureaucracy of thousands of officials and operatives whose main job is supposed to be helping Palestinian citizens bypass or overcome the stringent restrictions of the occupation.

However, it is obvious these people have failed to carry out their tasks.

It is really sad and embarrassing that while Israel allows certain VIPs to travel freely (probably in the hope that the preferential treatment would hasten pernicious Israeli goals) the Israeli occupation regime continues to deny the vast bulk of the Palestinian people their basic rights, including the right to travel.

It is time that you insist that Israel refrain from interfering with Palestinian freedom of movement. If you can’t do it, then just pack up and leave.
This would much better for your own dignity and the dignity of the Palestinian people. (end)
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I have had the honor of meeting Norman at a diner 2 weeks ago on Friday, as he was passing through Belgium and the Netherlands to give some lectures. It is a shame what the powerful Zionist movement in the US and the world have done to him for speaking the truth!

Democratic countries, that promote the "freedom" of speech, the US and Israel, are the two countries that impose censorship and take him to court and arrest him illegally!

What a shame!
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I am wondering what opinion would Norman Finkelstein have on this:

http://forum.tayyar.org/786932-post1.html

dodzi, you met the guy. Care to speculate?
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I am wondering what opinion would Norman Finkelstein have on this:

http://forum.tayyar.org/786932-post1.html

dodzi, you met the guy. Care to speculate?
Well, I met him at one dinner, so that doesn't make me an expert on the guy, but from what I read about him and from the talks with him, he didn't seem like the 'conspiracy' kind of person...

He's straight-forward and simple in his ideas: Jews have suffered in Europe, Israel was created, Germany and Italy paid compensations, Israel used the memory of the holocaust and the money it got for it, not to benefit the actual survivors, but to invest in the promotion of its own existence and to legitimize its policies...

Anyways, as I said, he's a survivors' son. I don't think he believes in behind the scene conspiracies... In fact, his opinion of the Jewish lobby (AIPAC) is very easy and simple: they have interests (defending Israel), the have money (Israel, the US and Jews provide it), and they invest it in order to preserve their interests (lobbying in the US, both with Democrats and Republicans). And nothing is countering that lobbying (no alternative Jewish lobby, no big Arab or Palestinian lobby that can outweigh it and no controversy among the US public opinion). This is known to everyone. No need for secret conspiracies Illuminati, Free Masons, Jehovah's witnesses or whatever...

In fact, his opinion of other conspiracies or issues is as simple: there's no conspiracy for 9/11, it's stupid: the plane was high-jacked by terrorists with small knives, they flew the planes in the buildings. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to do that! In fact, it's undermining Arab intelligence (that's why these conspiracies are American-made and not Arab-made)... He also criticized people that believe that the problem between Israelis and Palestinians is "psychological". Also "stupid" (he uses the word "stupid" a lot): they both want the territory, and they're fighting for it!

As for his academics, he's very well known, and well respected. But his only problem is Israel: one of his books was censored by California (UCLA). The UCLA is a public university, which is directly under the orders of the Governor (Schwarzenegger) that called the UCLA publisher (with pressure from AIPAC) and asked them not to publish the book.

He's also known for having written a thesis on another fellow "scholar's" thesis about Palestinian demographic history. He criticized that scholar for using false resources and deliberately lying in her work. You can find out about it here in wikipedia.

To top all that off, he refused to come to a university lecture in Ghent University (where I study), partially on my advice, because those who organized the event were a Right-wing organization, and that many of its members could be Holocaust deniers. Since he's not a Holocaust denier and obviously not right wing, he preferred not going there in order not to be confused with those people!
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Well, I met him at one dinner, so that doesn't make me an expert on the guy, but from what I read about him and from the talks with him, he didn't seem like the 'conspiracy' kind of person...

Perhaps I should clarify my question.

I was not interested in his opinion on conspiracy theory. I am sure he is smart enough to understand that this is lie. I am interested to know how descendant of Holocaust survivors feels about the fact of these kind of stories being distributed only to keep antisemitism going among the very people he supports.

Thank you for your answer to my previous post and I am sorry for your wasted time.
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Perhaps I should clarify my question.

I was not interested in his opinion on conspiracy theory. I am sure he is smart enough to understand that this is lie. I am interested to know how descendant of Holocaust survivors feels about the fact of these kind of stories being distributed only to keep antisemitism going among the very people he supports.

Thank you for your answer to my previous post and I am sorry for your wasted time.
I'm not sure I got your question right. Perhaps because you said "to keep antisemitism going among the very people he supports". I believe (unless I understood that wrong), that this is a false statement: Finkelstein's theories are neither antisemitic, nor does he support antisemites.

Second, it is not because you criticize Israel that you are a de facto antisemitic. In fact, calling Hanna Arendt, Albert Einstein or Finkelstein antisemitic is exactly the policies Finkelstein talks about in his book "the Holocaust industry". Accusing Jews (especially German or Polish Jews) of antisemitism is a policy used to cover any divergence in Jewish belief of Israel.

If you criticize Israel or the Zionist movement, then you are not antisemitic but anti-Zionist... Finkelstein is neither antisemitic, nor a self-hating Jew (an expression used very often in Jewish-Israeli media and public opinion), nor a Holocaust denier.

Unfortunately, perhaps his ideas are being used by antisemitic people. He told me about a lecture he did in Italy, where the organization's representative introduced him as a "Holocaust denier". He started yelling at him saying he shouldn't say lies like that, etc. When he came to Belgium, he was also invited by a right-wing organization in Ghent. But when he learned that some of their followers are Holocaust deniers, he decided not to attend unless a second organization sponsored the event (preferably leftist). So he did not attend (partly with my advice).

So the question I'm asking you now: do you think the truth (any truth, not specifically this one) should be censored, specially in academic areas, just because some low-level radicals are going to deform it for their own interests?

When Finkelstein wrote his doctoral dissertation on the other doctoral dissertation (about the Historical demographics of Palestine), he was accused, not of creating lies or engaging into anti-semitic propaganda, but of making bad publicity of American academics (because of his bashing of another academic's works). How is your stand on that?
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i like Finkelstein more lately because of what he has had to put up with from the zionists in america. not everyone can withstand such pressures let alone do it singlehandedly , but Finkelstein showed himself able & willing to do it because he is a man of principles . i don't agree w/ everything he says & think that he is a bit boring the way he talks , but i have full respect for him . i say he shouldn't be sad or angry that he wasnt allowed into Palestine , i am sure it will make him even more dedicated in continuing his criticism of zionism .
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I'm not sure I got your question right. Perhaps because you said "to keep antisemitism going among the very people he supports". I believe (unless I understood that wrong), that this is a false statement: Finkelstein's theories are neither antisemitic, nor does he support antisemites.
I have a feeling you missed my question again.

Finkelstein and his theories weren't in question. I was curious to know how does he feel about the fact that antisemitic lies like Protocols of Elders of Zion find fertile ground amongst majority of his admirers.
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I have a feeling you missed my question again.

Finkelstein and his theories weren't in question. I was curious to know how does he feel about the fact that antisemitic lies like Protocols of Elders of Zion find fertile ground amongst majority of his admirers.
Here's already a part of the answer:

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Unfortunately, perhaps his ideas are being used by antisemitic people. He told me about a lecture he did in Italy, where the organization's representative introduced him as a "Holocaust denier". He started yelling at him saying he shouldn't say lies like that, etc. When he came to Belgium, he was also invited by a right-wing organization in Ghent. But when he learned that some of their followers are Holocaust deniers, he decided not to attend unless a second organization sponsored the event (preferably leftist). So he did not attend (partly with my advice).
Now the thing I don't agree with you in your question: most of the people who are interested in his work are not antisemitic. You don't have any evidence of what you are asserting! You should have said "many" not "majority", because then I will ask you how you know, and you won't be able to prove it!

The man is known all over the world. Some of the people that admire him are in fact antisemitic. But he is respected amongst fellow scholars (the only reason he lost his job was AIPAC, and the only reason he kept it as long as he did is because he's respected and good!), among students (who supported him during his struggle), and other intellectuals!

When I met him, it was at a Jewish friend's house. This Jewish friend has many intellectuals and scholars in his family and that's how they invited Finkelstein. The fact that intellectuals find his works interesting is far more important for him than the fact that some stupid neo-nazis misunderstand him!

He doesn't it take it well when he's invited by Holocaust deniers or weirdos. It pisses him off in fact! But that's not as important as making the important work done!

Now, I asked you a question:

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So the question I'm asking you now: do you think the truth (any truth, not specifically this one) should be censored, specially in academic areas, just because some low-level radicals are going to deform it for their own interests?

When Finkelstein wrote his doctoral dissertation on the other doctoral dissertation (about the Historical demographics of Palestine), he was accused, not of creating lies or engaging into anti-semitic propaganda, but of making bad publicity of American academics (because of his bashing of another academic's works). How is your stand on that?
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