Israelis Are Getting Desperate

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

Yes you do. I'm sure the US has a day where it honours the fallen on the battlefield. Mr Bush always speaks of the great sacrifice the dead US soldiers have made in Iraq.

If remembrance and mourning are forms of celebration (in a way they are) then yes. However, unlike in your case, it is no where near happiness.

Originally Posted by Abufijli

Who is everybody? The western world is not everybody. Majority of the arab/muslim world do not believe the Israeli story and believe him to be a hero.

Opinion of Western world and US is very much important because Israel is part of that community. Opinion of Arab/Muslim world is not because Arabs and Muslims do not recognize Israel. So, everywhere it counts, it is everybody.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Rainywinter

I haven't entirely excluded the western world in "celebrating death", and you suggesting so is your own failure.
Another several points which make your argument fail terribly.

1) There's quite a difference celebrating the death of soldiers who fought against an army in war, than a terrorist who deliberately suicides \ attacks innocent civilians -- and not even in an open war.
2) ANZAC Day was announced on 1916 during WWI(!!!!!!!) and is not much more than a national custom these days. Basically, you're helping me prove my point, as celebrating death indefinitely mostly belongs to the past and ignorance. Besides, just because that custom is happening doesn't make the custom right.
3) two of the above points in conjunction.

1. I am sorry, but a Palestinian suicide bomber does not intentionally kill innocent civilians. he merely attacks the bus or club to destroy it, if civilians happen to be there at the time they are just collateral.

2. You do not understand how deeply we feel abou ANZAC day, every year thousands of Australians, mostly young, travel all the way to Gallipoli for a Dawn Service, if it were just a cusom, noone would bother making such a trip each and everyyear

[tsedek]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

...I am sorry, but a Palestinian suicide bomber does not intentionally kill innocent civilians. he merely attacks the bus or club to destroy it, if civilians happen to be there at the time they are just collateral........

ur jokin'

[Neo_Con]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

1. I am sorry, but a Palestinian suicide bomber does not intentionally kill innocent civilians. he merely attacks the bus or club to destroy it, if civilians happen to be there at the time they are just collateral.

Israelis don't try to intentionally kill innocent civilians but they happen to just be there....shielding terrorists......and rockets.....

[nizaryahya]

Originally Posted by Neo_Con

Israelis don't try to intentionally kill innocent civilians but they happen to just be there....shielding terrorists......and rockets.....

This happened July 7th. Watch the video and then you can talk.
B'Tselem - Use of Firearms - 21 July '08: Following exposure by B'Tselem, Military Police investigate shooting of bound Palestinian

[Rainywinter]

Originally Posted by nizaryahya

This happened July 7th. Watch the video and then you can talk.
B'Tselem - Use of Firearms - 21 July '08: Following exposure by B'Tselem, Military Police investigate shooting of bound Palestinian

Meh, if you had the slightest clue how it was condemned in Israel, by everyone. But, I guess you wouldn't care. The soldier was arrested, and both he and the commander were investigated. It turned out to be a misunderstanding. The soldier's commander asked the soldier to scare the Palestinian (lets not forget that this Palestinian has a rich past of violent protesting) by shaking his weapon (which, just btw, contains rubber bullets), and the commander passed a lie detector test. The soldier, however, said he heard that his commander asked him to shoot him in the leg - to scare him, so he did.

But, I suppose you don't care about all that, and all that matter is that it happened.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Zayn

Apparently, the Israelis are now calling Lebanese citizens and leaving threatening voice messages about continuing their support for Hezbollah. What is it about democracy and non-Jews that just seems to irk them? Now you know that even the Israelis interpreted yesterday's festivities as a defeat for them.

Lebanese civilians complain of anti-Hezbollah phone messages from Israel - Haaretz - Israel News

Needless to say, I got a very good laugh from this one.

The funny thing here is that Israelis are still stuck in the seventies and eighties.

They used the same words,tone, and phrases that they used in 1978 and in 1982, with the speakers posted on their tanks when they invaded Lebanon.(I witness)

Heck...even almost the same voice...hehe

Only difference is that back then,they used to formulate one of the 2 words:"Fatah" or "Moukharribine"...while nowadays it's "Khizballah"...


This kind of procedures proves 2 things:

1-That the Israelis stopped evolving decades ago.

2-That they are in complete ignorance,complete blackout, about the Lebanese society,mentality and resistance.

And btw,this was clearly reflected by their tactics on the ground,during the July war...which was a primary cause to their blatant defeat.

And while their generals pretend that they got the lessons from the July war....obviously,they still didn't learn anything...hahaha...Keep going...

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by tsedek

ur jokin'

No, he is not. He thinks he is being clever. In reality he just gave Israel card blanche.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by nizaryahya

This happened July 7th. Watch the video and then you can talk.
B'Tselem - Use of Firearms - 21 July '08: Following exposure by B'Tselem, Military Police investigate shooting of bound Palestinian

So, Israelis prosecute those who commit atrocities. What's new?
Did you prosecute or are going to prosecute Quntar in the same fashion Israelis do their own?

Mind you that soldier did not even kill anybody yet Israelis are up in arms. What was your point really? How barbaric Israelis are?

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

No, he is not. He thinks he is being clever. In reality he just gave Israel card blanche.

If Israel uses that defence, which it does all the time, then that defence is also good for the Palestinians, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.