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Israel occupies Palestinian land and holds more than 10000 hostages in their prisons.....Israel is butchering the Palestinians with or without firing rockets.... Hamas has the right to defend itself....
They defend themselves by throwing rockets on civilians?

Is Hamas only interested in defending itself?

There's something called "civil disobedience" and it lead to British withdrawal from India. Palestinians might want to learn a thing or two from Ghandhi.
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They defend themselves by throwing rockets on civilians?

Is Hamas only interested in defending itself?

There's something called "civil disobedience" and it lead to British withdrawal from India. Palestinians might want to learn a thing or two from Ghandhi.
Yeah, when Israel blockades Gaza, turns off electricity, prevents food from entering, prevents ambulances from carrying the sick and dying, all while they're conducting massacres against the Palestinians and the whole world watches, sure, civil disobedience is the way to go.
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Yeah, when Israel blockades Gaza, turns off electricity, prevents food from entering, prevents ambulances from carrying the sick and dying, all while they're conducting massacres against the Palestinians and the whole world watches, sure, civil disobedience is the way to go.
And you ignore why the blockade is in place in the first place. Rockets have something to do with it, I guess.
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And you ignore why the blockade is in place in the first place. Rockets have something to do with it, I guess.
You ignore facts, and want to see things your "happy happy joy joy" way. No, the rockets have nothing to do with the blockade, it's enforced to submit the Palestinians to the will of the US and Israel. the rockets are the excuse the cowards are using to prolong the suffering and carry massacres on a daily basis. If there were no rockets they'll find other excuses. Either the Palestinians get rid of their resistance or else.
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the rockets are the excuse the cowards are using to prolong the suffering and carry massacres on a daily basis. If there were no rockets they'll find other excuses. Either the Palestinians get rid of their resistance or else.
Good, and Hamas is giving them the perfect legitimate excuse like it always has done. Let's see the excuse they'll use once Palestinians unilaterally decide to completely stop terrorist attacks on civilians. But we're talking here about an Islamist extremist organization that THRIVES on blockades and on bloodshed of both Palestinians and Israelis. They build their popularity by using and abusing desperation.
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Good, and Hamas is giving them the perfect legitimate excuse like it always has done. Let's see the excuse they'll use once Palestinians unilaterally decide to completely stop terrorist attacks on civilians. But we're talking here about an Islamist extremist organization that THRIVES on blockades and on bloodshed of both Palestinians and Israelis. They build their popularity by using and abusing desperation.
You're not worth my time. You're not attempting a debate, you have preset beliefs that you need to promote. Good luck on that maybe someone else will sympathize with you.
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You're not worth my time. You're not attempting a debate, you have preset beliefs that you need to promote. Good luck on that maybe someone else will sympathize with you.
Yes, we need to bend over and get ****** by the Americans and Israeli's for him to be happy. It is the same story over and over again, blame the victim for what is being done to them. Pathetic.
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Good, and Hamas is giving them the perfect legitimate excuse like it always has done.
Will you or will you not fight if Syria takes Lebanon off the map? If you say yes, then you are what Hamas is, if no then you're a coward and a traitor who surrenders to the will of the one who takes his land, kills his people and strips him of his rights as a human to live freely like all the rest.

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Let's see the excuse they'll use once Palestinians unilaterally decide to completely stop terrorist attacks on civilians. But we're talking here about an Islamist extremist organization that THRIVES on blockades and on bloodshed of both Palestinians and Israelis. They build their popularity by using and abusing desperation.
This is not true. Get your facts right. And yes, Hamas are Muslims, you have a problem with Muslims?
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You're not worth my time. You're not attempting a debate, you have preset beliefs that you need to promote. Good luck on that maybe someone else will sympathize with you.
The feeling is 100% mutual, and I happen to feel the same about you. But at least given my opinion of you I didn't start the discussion with you.

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Get your facts right. And yes, Hamas are Muslims, you have a problem with Muslims?
Get your facts straight. I said Hamas is an Islamist group, not "Muslims." There's a huge difference.

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Will you or will you not fight if Syria takes Lebanon off the map? If you say yes, then you are what Hamas is, if no then you're a coward and a traitor who surrenders to the will of the one who takes his land, kills his people and strips him of his rights as a human to live freely like all the rest.
I have my reservations on how Israel was created, but I also believe it's time to move on and settle for a peaceful two state solution. Regardeless, it's not only immoral to throw rockets on civilians and to sponsor suicide bombers (and additionally whine that the other side is killing civilians when the intent is (in best case for your argument) the same from both sides), but it's also dumb and is not benefitting the Palestinians in any way imaginable.
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The feeling is 100% mutual, and I happen to feel the same about you. But at least given my opinion of you I didn't start the discussion with you.

Get your facts straight. I said Hamas is an Islamist group, not "Muslims." There's a huge difference.

I have my reservations on how Israel was created, but I also believe it's time to move on and settle for a peaceful two state solution. Regardeless, it's not only immoral to throw rockets on civilians and to sponsor suicide bombers (and additionally whine that the other side is killing civilians when the intent is (in best case for your argument) the same from both sides), but it's also dumb and is not benefitting the Palestinians in any way imaginable.
It's a waste of time talking to people like you. Have it your way, there is nothing you can do to stop the people from claiming what's righfully theirs and no one will stop them from doing so.

I salute the Palestinian heroes.
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