Israel asks UNIFIL for help in collecting intelligence on Hizbullah

[kappa273]

perhaps we should not allow foreign funded militias from operating in Lebanon...

does that include only HA?

i haven't heard Walid Jounblatt, Samir Geagea or Saad Hariri call for disarming the palestinians?

what about disarming the armed thugs of PSP, LF and Hariri new funded militia?

what about the newly formed militias all operating under the banner of "security companies"?

kappa

[WiseCookie]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Wisecookie, Militias aren’t in the South, they’re somewhere else . And since as you said the Lebanese army can’t do nothing; then WE obviously need someone to do it’s job .

Those troops in the South are there to breathe fresh air and eat grapes and figs while they watch Israeli planes fly and balloons fall. Since this has been the custom of us Southerners for tens of years, we believe we are better fruit eaters and sky watchers; hence, no need for foreigners when it comes to that.

So in short… y7illo 3an ardna w 3an samena ba2a.

In the 15 years that followed the end of the war, under the same regime that HA thrived in, millions if not billions of dollars were spent on restructuring and improving the army, yet we did not see any improvement in the army's capabilities. In any country a resistance is a resistance until the National Army can take over. In Lebanon, there's no such thing, because the army remains weak due to political decisions and not its incapability of handling HA's job. So whose in charge of that political decision? It's not only the 14th of March.

Furthermore, I do not think that we should be proud of the fact that the Lebanese Army can do nothing to protect us against ANY foreign invader, after 17 years of relative peace. It's a shame that there's something still called a "resistance" in Lebanon. And I'm talking about any "resistance" here be it HA or whoever. It's a shame that citizens still believe that they have to carry weapons to defend themselves after 17 years of relative peace.

This foreign presence is under a new mandate with more privileges, and it has not been fully tested to see where their loyalties lie. I do not understand the need to jump to conclusions. Other than that, if they do not form any kind of physical deterrent to Israel, they do however form a political deterrent. There are agreements signed, and a violation of these agreements will make the UN, Israel , and whoever brokered the agreement look bad. The last thing the US needs right now is another confrontation in the middle-east.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by BOILER

What sovereignty you are talking about?
Man we are isolated from the world by land and sea.
What does sovereignty means to you?
Explain to me how Lebanon can be called a sovereign country, not now but from decades?
Can the goverment of Lebanon takes any big decision without consulting the americans and the french first?
We have just replaced the syrian army occupation by another one.
This is how I see it, and you should accept this even if you have another point of view.

Define isolated...

As for taking a decision, I believe the major players as we speak are the Saudis/Iranians and they have no forces in the country as we know of.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by WiseCookie

In the 15 years that followed the end of the war, under the same regime that HA thrived in, millions if not billions of dollars were spent on restructuring and improving the army, yet we did not see any improvement in the army's capabilities. In any country a resistance is a resistance until the National Army can take over. In Lebanon, there's no such thing, because the army remains weak due to political decisions and not its incapability of handling HA's job. So whose in charge of that political decision? It's not only the 14th of March.

Can you tell me what might have happened to that money?
The army is weak because no one paid any attention to it. And hell no it’s unable to handle HA’s job; otherwise there will be no need for HA. We can take what the 14 gangsters are doing as proof to show that they're more concerned about their personal interests and positions than they are about the army of any other thing in the country.

Furthermore, I do not think that we should be proud of the fact that the Lebanese Army can do nothing to protect us against ANY foreign invader, after 17 years of relative peace. It's a shame that there's something still called a "resistance" in Lebanon. And I'm talking about any "resistance" here be it HA or whoever. It's a shame that citizens still believe that they have to carry weapons to defend themselves after 17 years of relative peace.

Yep, this is a shame. How great would it be if someone can take this burden off our shoulders! It’s about time they pay attention to our areas because if it wasn’t for HA, we would’ve still been under Zionist occupation; and this is no heaven “s2al mjarrib”. We all want a strong army cookie; because a strong army means a strong unified country, which also means stability and peace of mind.

This foreign presence is under a new mandate with more privileges, and it has not been fully tested to see where their loyalties lie. I do not understand the need to jump to conclusions. Other than that, if they do not form any kind of physical deterrent to Israel, they do however form a political deterrent. There are agreements signed, and a violation of these agreements will make the UN, Israel , and whoever brokered the agreement look bad. The last thing the US needs right now is another confrontation in the middle-east.

I hope they start acting instead of eating fruit and watching planes. What are they doing? We live in the south and we know what’s happening on ground. Israel doesn’t give a **** and would do whatever it wants regardless of looking good or bad. We certainly don’t like to see lovely green balloons and dead cattle, or sleep on the sounds of hovering “war birds” every now and then. Israel's continuously violating our sovereignty; only recently did it take over vast areas of land in the south (that belonging to people I know in person). So what are those troops doing there then? It makes us wonder! Since Israel continues to do what it wants, then they must be there to do another job than protect “agreements”. If they are there to do nothing... Let them leave. We’ll make sure they take a good supply of fruit with them; no problem when it comes to that.

[Lebanese_Nationalist]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Wisecookie, Militias aren’t in the South, they’re somewhere else . And since as you said the Lebanese army can’t do nothing; then WE obviously need someone to do it’s job .

Those troops in the South are there to breathe fresh air and eat grapes and figs while they watch Israeli planes fly and balloons fall. Since this has been the custom of us Southerners for tens of years, we believe we are better fruit eaters and sky watchers; hence, no need for foreigners when it comes to that.

So in short… y7illo 3an ardna w 3an samena ba2a.

If it wasn't for the actions of the Hezbollah militia this summer, there wouldn't be a beefed-up UNIFIL contingent in the south. If the Lebanese Army cannot do its job, then the UNIFIL should come in and help it. Part of the job they're not doing is stopping the flow of illegal arms to Hezbollah and the Palestinian terrorist militias. If the Lebanese Army can't do its job and Hezbollah is doing someone else's job, then the UNIFIL is more than welcome.

It's too bad many people can't eat figs while breathing fresh air, partly due to Hezbollah's reckless and irresponsible actions.

[hhhh23]

Originally Posted by kappa273

perhaps we should not allow foreign funded militias from operating in Lebanon...

does that include only HA?

i haven't heard Walid Jounblatt, Samir Geagea or Saad Hariri call for disarming the palestinians?

what about disarming the armed thugs of PSP, LF and Hariri new funded militia?

what about the newly formed militias all operating under the banner of "security companies"?

kappa

No it doesn't include only HA, whoever wants to call for disarmament whether it be Hariri, Geagea, Aoun or Jumblat should include the following:
- Disarmament of HA
- Disarmament of Palestinians
- Disarmament of any re-newed militias e.g. LF or PSP
- Disarmament of Hariri's fouhoud

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Lebanese_Nationalist

If it wasn't for the actions of the Hezbollah militia this summer, there wouldn't be a beefed-up UNIFIL contingent in the south. If the Lebanese Army cannot do its job, then the UNIFIL should come in and help it. Part of the job they're not doing is stopping the flow of illegal arms to Hezbollah and the Palestinian terrorist militias. If the Lebanese Army can't do its job and Hezbollah is doing someone else's job, then the UNIFIL is more than welcome.

No comment.

It's too bad many people can't eat figs while breathing fresh air, partly due to Hezbollah's reckless and irresponsible actions.

HA are the people in the South lol. So how does this logic work?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by WiseCookie

Please tell me how they are a blow to our sovereignty. There's really no point in throwing pseudo-intellectual accusations around.

any foreign army other than the lebanese army present in Lebanon is called an occupation force.

but defending UNIFIL whose only job is that of a clerk is some pseudo-intellectual defense.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Zero Cult

They are present on Lebanese soil, agreed upon by the Lebanese government including its resigned ministers, and they aren't dictating Lebanese policy.

Now how are they an occupying force?

what are they doing in the South other than being clerks, registering violations and putting it on official papers?
so we have 15000 foreign soldier who are acting against the agreement that allowed them to come to Lebanon in the first place.
their job is TO face with Force any violation from any side.
are they doing their job?
so u have an international force in Lebanon not doing its job, i wonder what's that called.

[hadito]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

what are they doing in the South other than being clerks, registering violations and putting it on official papers?
so we have 15000 foreign soldier who are acting against the agreement that allowed them to come to Lebanon in the first place.
their job is TO face with Force any violation from any side.
are they doing their job?
so u have an international force in Lebanon not doing its job, i wonder what's that called.

Actually this is not their job, if the resolution was under chapter 7, then this might have been part of their job, but this is not their job, since chapter 7 was refused by HA.

according to 1701 , this is their job:

OP11. Decides, in order to supplement and enhance the force in numbers, equipment, mandate and scope of operations, to authorize an increase in the force strength of UNIFIL to a maximum of 15,000 troops, and that the force shall, in addition to carrying out its mandate under resolutions 425 and 426 (1978):

a. Monitor the cessation of hostilities;
b. Accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the South, including along the Blue Line, as Israel withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon as provided in paragraph 2;
c. Coordinate its activities related to paragraph 11 (b) with the government of Lebanon and the Government of Israel;
d. Extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons;
e. Assist the Lebanese armed forces in taking steps towards the establishment of the area as referred to in paragraph 8;
f. Assist the government of Lebanon, at its request, to implement paragraph 14;