Israel asks UNIFIL for help in collecting intelligence on Hizbullah

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

those UN forces are a blow to our sovereignty, but who cares about that?

They are present on Lebanese soil, agreed upon by the Lebanese government including its resigned ministers, and they aren't dictating Lebanese policy.

Now how are they an occupying force?

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by WiseCookie

Please tell me how they are a blow to our sovereignty. There's really no point in throwing pseudo-intellectual accusations around.

What sovereignty you are talking about?
Man we are isolated from the world by land and sea.
What does sovereignty means to you?
Explain to me how Lebanon can be called a sovereign country, not now but from decades?
Can the goverment of Lebanon takes any big decision without consulting the americans and the french first?
We have just replaced the syrian army occupation by another one.
This is how I see it, and you should accept this even if you have another point of view.

[Bodhisattva]

we should leverage the large UNIFIL numbber to our advantage and utilize them as international ambassadors to our case in their countries

but no, lets spend time and energy productively by slugging one another

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Zero Cult

They are present on Lebanese soil, agreed upon by the Lebanese government including its resigned ministers, and they aren't dictating Lebanese policy.

Now how are they an occupying force?

We do not want any foreign troops on our soil, full stop. Neither from the UN, which is an American tool, or from Syria or Israel. They should all **** off.

Just becuase they are under the UN umbrella does not sugar coat the truth that these people are not here to protect or serve Lebanon. They are here to look after Israel and Israel only. Enough BS.

[WiseCookie]

Originally Posted by BOILER

What sovereignty you are talking about?
Man we are isolated from the world by land and sea.
What does sovereignty means to you?
Explain to me how Lebanon can be called a sovereign country, not now but from decades?
Can the goverment of Lebanon takes any big decision without consulting the americans and the french first?
We have just replaced the syrian army occupation by another one.
This is how I see it, and you should accept this even if you have another point of view.

We're talking about the UNIFIL here. Open another thread if you want to talk about the following.

[CedarJet]

Originally Posted by WiseCookie

I agree but here's the thing. Let's say it's a resistance, isn't it still funded by foreigners and doesn't its actions still threaten civil unrest and the situation on the border. It doesn't matter if it's a militia or a resistance, the repercussions are still the same.

I'll entertain your thought and say it is the resistance that you're talking about. I fully agree, it is funded partially by foreigners and its weapons were facilitated to enter our country through our borders. This has been the case for over 20 years now. The Lebanese government, even though some do not agree with it, for the past 15 years or so has accepted and facilitated these actions, as well as congratulated the resistance for the work that they have done. The Lebanese puppet government gave the resistance the carte blanche to operate as it's own agency and run their own show. The situation is still the same, according to the resistance, nothing has changed, i.e. their enemy, occupied land, prisoners held in foreign jails, etc. However, the same puppet government has now changed its mind, and has turned a 180 degrees from its past stance. The resistance in their view has turned from a legitimate resistance to an illegal militia, pretty much over night.

The people that back this puppet government (the same who gave the resistance the carte blanche) have now turned against the resistance and are ready to fight them, as we are witnessing on the ground.

The weapons that the resistance has amassed didn't happen in the last year, on the contrary, they used alot of their weapons in the summer of '06. The stock of their weapons has been compiled over the past 15 years while the so called puppet government sat and watched.

[WiseCookie]

Originally Posted by CedarJet

I'll entertain your thought and say it is the resistance that you're talking about. I fully agree, it is funded partially by foreigners and its weapons were facilitated to enter our country through our borders. This has been the case for over 20 years now. The Lebanese government, even though some do not agree with it, for the past 15 years or so has accepted and facilitated these actions, as well as congratulated the resistance for the work that they have done. The Lebanese puppet government gave the resistance the carte blanche to operate as it's own agency and run their own show. The situation is still the same, according to the resistance, nothing has changed, i.e. their enemy, occupied land, prisoners held in foreign jails, etc.

Alright. I agree there.

PS: I don't think it's a resistance.

However, the same puppet government has now changed its mind, and has turned a 180 degrees from its past stance. The resistance in their view has turned from a legitimate resistance to an illegal militia, pretty much over night.

Did you forget how the MoU changed many FPMers position on HA overnight. One has only to go through the archives of this forum to notice such a change.

The people that back this puppet government (the same who gave the resistance the carte blanche) have now turned against the resistance and are ready to fight them, as we are witnessing on the ground.

Well listening to HN's speeches does not give them reason not to be frightened. He's also the same person that said resorting to the streets is very dangerous around a year ago, now he's flopped.

The weapons that the resistance has amassed didn't happen in the last year, on the contrary, they used alot of their weapons in the summer of '06. The stock of their weapons has been compiled over the past 15 years while the so called puppet government sat and watched.

Well didn't HA hold the government hostage to their resignation if they didn't say it was a resistance and not a militia.

CedarJet, basically what I can see from your analysis is that nobody is allowed to change their positions other than the FPM and HA.

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

We do not want any foreign troops on our soil, full stop. Neither from the UN, which is an American tool, or from Syria or Israel. They should all **** off.

Just becuase they are under the UN umbrella does not sugar coat the truth that these people are not here to protect or serve Lebanon. They are here to look after Israel and Israel only. Enough BS.

3ala rassé, then why have Hezbollah and Amal approved their presence on Lebanese soil?

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Zero Cult

3ala rassé, then why have Hezbollah and Amal approve their presence on Lebanese soil?

IMO it is silly of them to accept their presence, but I think that during the war HA+Amal were sensible enough to accept so they can stop the bloodshed. I just do not understand why we need anyone on our borders with anybody. They are obviously not there to protect us. If they were there to protect us they would have created a buffer zone between both countries, they would not be sitting on our side of the fence, they would be stopping the intrusions into our land(like HA did). I have no respect or faith in the UN or anyone in the international community.

PS My anger in the last post was not aimed at you, I'm sure you noticed...

[Dalzi]

Wisecookie, Militias aren’t in the South, they’re somewhere else . And since as you said the Lebanese army can’t do nothing; then WE obviously need someone to do it’s job .

Those troops in the South are there to breathe fresh air and eat grapes and figs while they watch Israeli planes fly and balloons fall. Since this has been the custom of us Southerners for tens of years, we believe we are better fruit eaters and sky watchers; hence, no need for foreigners when it comes to that.

So in short… y7illo 3an ardna w 3an samena ba2a.