Israel asks UNIFIL for help in collecting intelligence on Hizbullah

[AlGhaliboon]

Originally Posted by Hye4Lebanon

I would imagine all this is to create "tension" between Unifil and HA which will lead to confrontation which is ultimately Israel's goal.

Israel's been sending these "hints" for quite some time and is not going to stop. They want someone else to fight their losing/embarrassing war.

I think that might be true, but it's not the whole story, and definitely too naive and too trustful of the UNIFIL.

You dont live in the South, but if you did, you'd know that the UNIFIL has been rather strange in its behavior as of late, and has in fact raised the ire of locals. And when we get angry, it means there is a good reason for it.

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by Hye4Lebanon

I would imagine all this is to create "tension" between Unifil and HA which will lead to confrontation which is ultimately Israel's goal.

Israel's been sending these "hints" for quite some time and is not going to stop. They want someone else to fight their losing/embarrassing war.

Agreed.

It seems Hezbollah, as SHN mentionned, is good at thwarting Mossad infiltration attempts. And quite frankly if Mossad or Shin Bet aren't able to get much on Hezbollah, and the July war is proof enough, then others shouldn't be too hopefull.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by AlGhaliboon

I guess we forgot that Germany has a 'historic duty' to defend "Israel".

haha....

Btw Dry Ice, thanks for posting this piece of 'news', but is it really 'news'? We all know what the so-called expanded unifil is here for, they are here to 'defend' "Israel" from us, not the other way around. I think Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah was quite clear about this in the victory rally speech.

But if the spies think they will last long in Lebanon with their activities, they probably want to review the events of 1983.
It wont be long until people take matters into their own hands and expel the traitors who are here to provide information to the enemy who only this past summer massacred 1200 of our people.

AlGhaliboon, it is noteworthy that the Israeli press is reporting itself such a story, true it is taken from a Saudi newspaper and that newspaper even quoted an anonymous souce, however what's the interest of the Israelis to circulate such a story?

[AlGhaliboon]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

AlGhaliboon, it is noteworthy that the Israeli press is reporting itself such a story, true it is taken from a Saudi newspaper and that newspaper even quoted an anonymous souce, however what's the interest of the Israelis to circulate such a story?

That's a bit misleading actually.
"Israel News" is actually another term for Arutz Sheva. Have you ever read Arutz Sheva? It is, first of all, not a prominent newspaper at all, and second, it is the most right-wing 'news source' in "Israel".

The following are the top papers in "Israel" by circulation and readership:
1. Maariv
2. Yediot Achronot
3. Ha'aretz
4. Jerusalem Post

[mehdi soldier]

Originally Posted by Pasteur

The Nato replied...."Yet3amak el Hajj wel ness rej3ah"

Do you think these countries would wait for an israeli request to do that? They have already begun this from the first day they stepped in!

please yourselves!
deceipt is the worst tool for an enemy.if the UNIFIL is doing the dirty job for "israel",then it will pay the price.HA is a popularist south movement.if the name of HA is what they are using as an advantage to weaken lebanon and strengthen our enemy,then it won't be long for the brave people of the south to take matters into their hands and tell the world that we created resistance movements and we created political parties.when our welfare and well-being and state of living is endangered at the world's approval,we can make tens more of HAs.and we can face the deceptors.

if "israel" is making a game out of it to set up HA and the UNIFIL,the unifil must clear itself directly of such allegations before the worst and the unavoidable happens.we dont want the world to say HA is a terrorist group and they've attacked the unifil forces.we want the world to know the people of the south are brave and courageous and cant be intimidated and they've kicked the traitors out.if the unifil suspects some of its organs to be spying,let them tidy themselves before they are tidied up!

[WiseCookie]

Originally Posted by CedarJet

Before you ask this question, regarding foreign funded militias, you need to agree with the person you're debating with on who you're talking about, and how you each define them.

If the person you are asking the question sees the armed group in question as a resistance, then right off the get go you're both on different sides of the coin.

If you both agree that you are talking about a militia, then you're halfway to finding a common answer.

I agree but here's the thing. Let's say it's a resistance, isn't it still funded by foreigners and doesn't its actions still threaten civil unrest and the situation on the border. It doesn't matter if it's a militia or a resistance, the repercussions are still the same.

We have many ex-militia turned 'political parties' in Lebanon that have the history of foreign funding. As a matter of fact, every party in Lebanon has had foreign funds in their accounts.

Again, I agree, but there's a difference between have and had.

As for the article, nothing to be taken serious. There are spies collecting intelligence from all over the world. Lebanon right now is a hotspot, and spies usually like to hang out in Lebanon rather than iraq.

True.

We don't disagree much, it's just on the interpretation of things i guess :)

[hadito]

Originally Posted by DL

My own opinion has and will always be: Lebanon should not / should have never accepted any foreign force on its territory. We did not kick other occupations to find ourselves under the mercy of a UN force that has not / will never act according to our national interests (including spying for others).

I say: Thanks but no thanks - UNIFIL out! (in any case they are not doing anything more than writing empty reports and watching the Israelis breaking our sovereignty whenever they please)

so now the UNIFIL is an occupation force!!!!!!!!
dude, those are international forces, that came under a UN resolution, and lebanon is one of the founders of the UN and a full member in it and signed its charter.
the UN is not ruling the country as far as i know.
the UN forces in south lebanon were and now they are more the reason of an economical boom in south lebanon, many villages live through what they are paying.
those UN forces, that u are seeing worthless, come from different countries around the world that have different political opinions about the conflict, hence a conflict that puts in danger the life of those from one side or another (HA and israel) would have an effect on influential countries on HA and israel. Something that makes any future wide scale conflict a little bit complicated. But who cares about that?

[Lebanese_uk]

If there is proof that UNIFIL is intelligence gathering for the israelis then the UNIFIL forces become a legitimate military target for both Hezbollah and the Lebanese army.

The question is, are Italy and co willing to let their troops die for zionism?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by hadito

so now the UNIFIL is an occupation force!!!!!!!!
dude, those are international forces, that came under a UN resolution, and lebanon is one of the founders of the UN and a full member in it and signed its charter.
the UN is not ruling the country as far as i know.
the UN forces in south lebanon were and now they are more the reason of an economical boom in south lebanon, many villages live through what they are paying.
those UN forces, that u are seeing worthless, come from different countries around the world that have different political opinions about the conflict, hence a conflict that puts in danger the life of those from one side or another (HA and israel) would have an effect on influential countries on HA and israel. Something that makes any future wide scale conflict a little bit complicated. But who cares about that?

those UN forces are a blow to our sovereignty, but who cares about that?

[WiseCookie]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

those UN forces are a blow to our sovereignty, but who cares about that?

Please tell me how they are a blow to our sovereignty. There's really no point in throwing pseudo-intellectual accusations around.

Originally Posted by Source = Department of Peacekeeping Operations

In accordance with the purposes and principles enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, the Department of Peacekeeping Operations (DPKO) is dedicated to assisting the Member States and the Secretary-General in their efforts to maintain international peace and security. The Department's mission is to plan, prepare, manage and direct UN peacekeeping operations, so that they can effectively fulfil their mandates under the overall authority of the Security Council and General Assembly, and under the command vested in the Secretary-General.

DPKO provides political and executive direction to UN peacekeeping operations, and maintains contact with the Security Council, troop and financial contributors, and parties to the conflict in the implementation of Security Council mandates. DPKO strives to provide the best possible and most cost-efficient administrative and logistical support to missions in the field through the timely deployment of quality equipment and services, adequate financial resources and well-trained personnel. The Department works to integrate the efforts of UN, governmental and non-governmental entities in the context of peacekeeping operations. DPKO also provides guidance and support on military, police, mine action, and logistical and administrative issues to other UN political and peacebuilding missions.

Each peacekeeping operation has a specific set of mandated tasks, but all share certain common aims - to alleviate human suffering, and create conditions and build institutions for self-sustaining peace. The substantial presence of a peacekeeping operation on the ground contributes to this aim by introducing the UN as a third party with a direct impact on the political process. In exercise of its tasks, DPKO aims to minimize the many risks to which peacekeepers may be exposed in the field.

Peacekeeping operations may consist of several components, including a military component, which may or may not be armed, and various civilian components encompassing a broad range of disciplines. Depending on their mandate, peacekeeping missions may be required to:

* Deploy to prevent the outbreak of conflict or the spill-over of conflict across borders;
* Stabilize conflict situations after a cease fire, to create an environment for the parties to reach a lasting peace agreement;
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I don't even understand how this comes close to occupation. When this is the definition of military occupation

Originally Posted by Webster's Online Dictionary

the act or process of taking possession of a place or area : seizure b: the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force c: the military force occupying a country or the policies carried out by it

The last time I checked the UNIFIL never siezed land or took possession of it. They were placed there by the UN and with accordance with the Lebanese government since 1978. So no you cannot pin their presence on Sanyoura's "illegitimate" government.