Iranian elections and what you think about it.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by MaKhassak

Poor guy, what do your parents have to do with anything?, don't you find it funny that you need to post a P.S. saying that your posts were far more bitter before they were edited? does it make you feel smarter?

I am pointing out a logical fallacy that you made. This is different from whining.

Being bitter and being vitriolic are two different things entirely. See: connotation and denotation.

This is way beyond najad or moussavi, in fact people on the streets of tehran are no longer shouting down with najad on the streets of Tehran but down with khamenei..

Stupid analysis. They're shouting down with Khamenei and up with Khomeini and Rafsanjani. What is changing? They're all old guards of the Islamic revolution. I am sorry to disappoint you, but even if the protests did succeed, women would still be wearing the hijab, people would still be praying to Allah, and the money would still be flowing to Hizballah.

As a matter of principle i choose to be on the side of those who are opposed to tyranny and opression for the same reason that i stand with the palestineans resisting the israeli occupation.

If you do not support tyranny then you do not support either Rafsanjani nor Khamenei. In fact, that would mean that you are in agreement with me, but because you don't read on this issue, you do not know that Rafsanjani and Khamenei are one in the same. Need I tell you that Israel, the entity who you claim to be against, would prefer that Ahmadinejad stay in power?

The real hypocrisy here is that most of the people who are defending the regime in Tehran spend their time praising the palestineans, but can anyone show me the difference between the palestineans standing up to the israeli savagery and what the iranians are doing now?

I have made an entire thread on this issue in which I was very critical of the Iranian regime and its support for Arab causes. You can go ahead and dig it up if you want, it's somewhere on this regional politics page.

Iran is popular amongst Arabs and Muslims because it has taken a stand in defending the Palestinians and Lebanon's Shi'a from Israeli aggression.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Oh we know what is going on in Tehran, there is a power struggle amongst clerics, 5 of Rafsanjani family members have been arrested, Also the head of Tehran revolutionary brigade has been arrested by Khamenei men for disobeying orders. However whatever happens the regime will remain joumhouriyya islamiyya whatever happens and the policies of Iran will remain the same towards the west and the middle east region. Iran is a quasi-nuclear country and this makes it a de facto ennemy of Israel, so don't think that Iran will change its policies after the crisis and decides to scrap its nuclear weapons program or accept to shrink its political influence sphere in the region.

I meant that I suspect some intentions to "iraqize" Iran and to turn it into total chaos....it can be CIA behind it like in many cases in cooperation with Mossad?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Salome

I meant that I suspect some intentions to "iraqize" Iran and to turn it into total chaos....it can be CIA behind it like in many cases in cooperation with Mossad?

They've Iraqized Lebanon to some extent :)

[Zayn]

A Zionist columnist, Jeff Stein, reports that a retired US Navy admiral stated that Mousawi was behind the 1983 bombing against the US Marines in Beirut:

CQ Politics | SpyTalk - Mousavi, Celebrated in Iranian Protests, Was the Butcher of Beirut

I predict that half the people on this thread jump off the Mousawi bandwagon now that word comes out that he *gasp* attacked the White Man.

[Youchka]

We condemn any cheating whatsoever if it happened, whether in Iran or elsewhere.

However, what is funny is Obama meddling with the Iranian post election happenings, I mean Iran HAS DONE ELECTIONS, maybe he should ask his friends in Saudi Arabia to follow in their steps, and actually start doing elections, cheating or no cheating.

In Lebanon there was cheating like never before, why didn't we hear Obama asking to set things right....?

[NExtLeb]

Originally Posted by Youchka

We condemn any cheating whatsoever if it happened, whether in Iran or elsewhere.

However, what is funny is Obama meddling with the Iranian post election happenings, I mean Iran HAS DONE ELECTIONS, maybe he should ask his friends in Saudi Arabia to follow in their steps, and actually start doing elections, cheating or no cheating.

In Lebanon there was cheating like never before, why didn't we hear Obama asking to set things right....?

just the way western governments (and their media) like to put it. just wonder what would have happened had the opposition won the elections. one would have seen okab sakr marching in downtown beirut asking for freedom and annulment of rigged elections. "free and fair" is subjective term for these democracy-preachers. Just some friends here who were with the Carter mission in Beirut now saying that because of them, things in Beirut were more peaceful when announcing results. in an email exchange, one said "There were thousands of independent election monitors all over Lebanon - almost two at each polling place. Lebanese politics might be nuts, but they aren't rigged (yes, buying votes is ethically problematic, but it's different than outright cheating...)". Can you find more hypocrasy than this? And they consider that what they did as part of the "political development" process (in a political science/nation-building/rule of law sense).

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Youchka

We condemn any cheating whatsoever if it happened, whether in Iran or elsewhere.

However, what is funny is Obama meddling with the Iranian post election happenings, I mean Iran HAS DONE ELECTIONS, maybe he should ask his friends in Saudi Arabia to follow in their steps, and actually start doing elections, cheating or no cheating.

In Lebanon there was cheating like never before, why didn't we hear Obama asking to set things right....?

because you didn't go in the streets and got shot and was filmed on a cellphone and went all over yourube and facebook.
You have to mediatize your struggle

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

because you didn't go in the streets and got shot and was filmed on a cellphone and went all over yourube and facebook.
You have to mediatize your struggle

Or maybe have some countries taking care of that part for you.

Again, what does Obama have to do with how things are going in Iran? I mean people get thrown in prison in Saudi Arabia if they put up a Christmas tree in their house, is that democratic or advanced or acceptable? And then they call Saudis "moderate arabs" hahahaha what a joke.

Let everyone deal with his own stuff, and stop interfering in others issues and everyone will be ok.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Or maybe have some countries taking care of that part for you.

Again, what does Obama have to do with how things are going in Iran? I mean people get thrown in prison in Saudi Arabia if they put up a Christmas tree in their house, is that democratic or advanced or acceptable? And then they call Saudis "moderate arabs" hahahaha what a joke.

Let everyone deal with his own stuff, and stop interfering in others issues and everyone will be ok.

Saudi don't go in the streets, revolutions can't be made on forums. You want one go in the street, you did it 5-10 years ago and you got what you revolted for, do it again.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Saudi don't go in the streets, revolutions can't be made on forums. You want one go in the street, you did it 5-10 years ago and you got what you revolted for, do it again.

Actually they did at several occasion But not on such a big Scale Like the City of Tehran, The Only footage we receive from Saudi Protests are Shot with Mobile Phones.