Iranian elections and what you think about it.

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by MaKhassak

I m sure u mean u d do HA more good than mousavi

No, I meant what I wrote, and I did not write Hezbollah, did I? :)

b c a majority of iranians seem to think that this cowboy president that they have is the worst thing that could have happened to them

Well, I don't know what you are seeing but I am seeing a landslide win for the "cowboy president".. :)

the iranian economy is crumbling b/c najad is too busy using the revenues of the country to build weapons

The economy of Iran is doing much better than the economy of Arab states and most of the world, even if it is not "good" or "great".
What weapons are you talking about?
There is consensus in Iran on Iran's nuclear rights. So no, Moussavi would not have been able to do anything different in that regard.

or help shiaa parties across the region.

Which "Shi'a parties" are you talking about?

It was the iranian youth that brought the mullahs to power and hopefully they will kick them out again.

Dream on. That is only the Saudis' wish because the Saudis are the allies of the greatest evils , israel and america.

[hiptanaka]

Ahmadinejad is a nutcase

[Learned]

Originally Posted by MaKhassak

I m sure u mean he d do HA more good than mousavi

Not really. Ahmadabad doesn't even get a say when it comes to HA.

b c a majority of iranians seem to think that this cowboy president that they have is the worst thing that could have happened to them

Apparently not. He just won a landslide victory.

the iranian economy is crumbling b/c najad is too busy using the revenues of the country to build weapons or help shiaa parties across the region.

Iran puts about 5% of its GDP to military related expenses. Actually, Ahmadinejad used a lot of the oil money to subsidize goods and services for the poor, and judging by the poll results, it seems to have payed off for him.

It was the iranian youth that brought the mullahs to power and hopefully they will kick them out again.

Maybe if you close your eyes and wish really really hard....

[Ana3arabi!]

This is the level of the so-called "reformists":

"high-spirited fun-loving youth of northern Tehran who sang "Ahmedi-bye-bye, Ahmedi-bye-bye" or "ye hafte-do hafte, Mahmud hamum na-rafte" (One week, two weeks, Mahmoud hasn't taken a shower)."

Luckily, Iranians have proven that the overwhelming majority of them are not as stupid as these so-called "reformists". If this is the level of the "reformists'" arguments, then I am even more shocked that anyone could be surprised at the fact that Pres. Ahmadinejad won a landslide. How can they be "reformists" if all they can do is make fun of people's appearance (supposedly that is what the shower thing referred to) or class ? As I said, those "high spirited youth" can go back to their posh neighborhoods in Tehran and thank Pres. Ahmadinejad for their wealth, which IS generated by his policies.

[MaKhassak]

Ana3arabi and learned, what happened in Iran was a selection and not an election, one of the news agencies declared najad the winner with 65% of the votes before the polling stations were even closed.

A majority of iranians want reform, but you obviously care much more about how much money iran is sending you, than how good or bad this man is for his own country and people

[MaKhassak]

from alarabiya website

أفادت تقارير اعلامية من ايران أن المظاهرات و الاصطدامات بدأت تنتشر في سائر المدن الإيرانية إحتجاجا على نتائج الإنتخابات الرئاسية التي فاز فيها الرئيس الإيراني محمود احمدي نجاد لدورة ثانية. وسقط 3 قتلى على الأقل في اشتباكات واسعة النطاق، وطوقت قوى أمن إيرانية منطقة جماران في طهران حيث توجد منازل لإصلاحيين أهمهم محمد خاتمي وهاشمي رفسنجاني ومير حسين موسوي.

وقالت مصادر اصلاحية، رفضت الكشف عن اسمها، إن مدن قم وشيراز ومشهد تشهد اصطدامات بين قوات مكافحة الشغب والمحتجين. وأكدت بعض مواقع التابعة للمعارضة بأن مدن تبريز وأرومية وشهسوار والاهواز شهدت هي الأخرى مظاهرات احتجاجية.

وتؤكد التقارير الإخبارية خروج الألاف من المتظاهرين إلى شوارع المدن الكبرى، وخاصة العاصمة طهران.

وقد اتهمت وكالة فارس للانباء القريبة من الحرس الثوري الإيراني، الأحزاب الإصلاحية بتحريض مؤيدي المرشحين بالخروج إلى الشوارع، ولا سيما حزبي المشاركة الإسلامية ومنظمة مجاهدي الثورة الإسلامية.

وسبقت وكالة فارس للأنباء مصادر وزارة الداخلية الإيرانية في الإعلان عن نتائج الإنتخابات لصالح أحمدي نجاد قبل فرز الاصوات بساعات إلا أنها أقدمت قبيل الإعلان عن النتائج برفع النبأ عن الموقع .

وتفيد الأنباء المتواترة من العاصمة الإيرانية بأن الآلاف من المحتجين يتواجدون في الشوارع الرئيسية بطهران ويشتبكون مع قوات الامن الإيرانية.

و يؤكد شهود عيان بأن المتظاهرين يطلقون شعارات من قبيل "الموت للديكتاتور" و" موسوي نحن ندعمك" و "موسوي استعيد لنا أصواتنا".

وتذكر تقارير واردة من مشهد أن المظاهرات مستمرة في بعض الشوارع في هذه المدينة المقدسة لدى الشيعة حيث يوجد فيها مرقد علي ابن موسى الرضا ثامن أئمة الشيعة.

يذكر بأن كل من مير حسين موسوي وكروبي إتهما القائمين على إجراء الإنتخابات بالتلاعب بالنتائج وبعث موسوي برسالة إلى كبار المرجعيات الدينية ودعاها إلى حماية أصوات الشعب

[Positive Balance]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

The economy of Iran is doing much better than the economy of Arab states and most of the world, even if it is not "good" or "great".
What weapons are you talking about?
There is consensus in Iran on Iran's nuclear rights. So no, Moussavi would not have been able to do anything different in that regard.

Spoken like a true expert. Show me anything that corroborates this story... How about the fact that the last few central bank governors in Iran have been fired because they did not agree with Ahmadinejad's economic policies? Or the consistent double-digit inflation figures? Or the lack of growth in sectors other than oil? Lack of investment in oil industry (they have to import refined oil because they don't have the capacity)?

Originally Posted by Learned

Iran puts about 5% of its GDP to military related expenses. Actually, Ahmadinejad used a lot of the oil money to subsidize goods and services for the poor, and judging by the poll results, it seems to have payed off for him.

Economically, Iran is heading towards a cliff. They have a fund into which oil revenues are supposed to go, the Oil Stabilization Fund. The idea is that when oil prices are high, excess revenues go into the fund, so that when oil prices drop the funds can be used to overcome the sudden loss in government revenues. The problem is that in the past few years, oil prices were extremely high and public spending in Iran also rose extremely fast, primarily because of Ahmadinejad's populism. How will he continue to pay for all this profligate spending now that the primary source of revenue has gone? (The difficulty with which a very minor reform of the insane fuel subsidies was accomplished in 2007/2008 can give you a hint.) This is a huge problem waiting to happen, even if it has been covered up by the emphasis of Iranian government officials on the nuclear issue.

As for the Iranian economy doing better than most Arab states, I don't know about 'better', but the same mistakes are being made everywhere in the region. At least Iran has a highly educated population, relative free social mobility, and decent infrastructure, at least in the urban centers. It's a shame that economic populism is ruining all the great gifts the country possesses.

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by MaKhassak

Ana3arabi and learned, what happened in Iran was a selection and not an election

Why? Because the so-called "reformists'" candidate did not win ? :)
If he had won it would've been elections not selections? Wow, that's a nice way of judging fairness of elections, apparently, the ballot box is not what shows how many millions support whom..... apparently there is a better way of knowing the numbers than elections. If so, let those who claim that these were selections not elections based on the outcome, tell us about this new technology. :)

one of the news agencies declared najad the winner with 65% of the votes before the polling stations were even closed.

Um, and some of the news agencies declared muwalet and mu3arada candidates winners in many districts during Lebanese elections. That does not mean that if their opponents won in that district, there is something fishy about it.... also, it was Moussavi himself , if I can recall, that announced he had won the elections before the polls had CLOSED.. we are not even talking about news agencies but the candidate himself... :)

A majority of iranians want reform

Yeah, they do. They want more reform with Pres. Ahmadinejad. That is why they voted for him. In their overwhelming majority. ;-)

but you obviously care much more about how much money iran is sending you

Obviously you know more about money "I" am getting from Iran than I do... why don't you elaborate.. :)

how good or bad this man is for his own country and people

The Iranians are the only judges of that, and they did make their choice clear. :)

[MaKhassak]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

The Iranians are the only judges of that, and they did make their choice clear. :)

ah please, iran is anything but a democracy, it s khamenei that makes the final decisions about all issues, the pasadran were even ready before the elections started b/c they knew exactly what kind of fraud they will commit to make sure najad wins.

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by MaKhassak

ah please, iran is anything but a democracy, it s khamenei that makes the final decisions about all issues, the pasadran were even ready before the elections started b/c they knew exactly what kind of fraud they will commit to make sure najad wins.

So how exactly is Pasdaran involved in electoral fraud? Do you even know what Pasdaran's job is? Also, that wasn't the impression I had from Mr. Moussavi's attitude towards elections before they began.... And also, Mr. Moussavi himself is not against Imam Khamenei........