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Rafsanjani: Shark or Kingmaker?
The former president remains unpopular with many Iranians, but he may yet be able to force a re-run of Friday's disputed poll

The man accused by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of masterminding the opposition campaign to oust him from the presidency has dropped out of view since election day. But Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani remains a formidable figure in Iranian politics with a network of well-placed allies straddling the reformist and moderate conservative camps. If any one leader is able to force a re-run of last Friday's disputed poll, it may be the two-term former president nicknamed the "shark".

Rafsanjani was last heard from in public as he cast his vote on Friday. According to the Iranian Students News Agency, he called for a "clean" poll and said a big turnout (favouring the reformists) would boost Iran's regional and international image. Following the ensuing storm over Ahmadinejad's apparent victory, al-Arabiya television reported Rafsanjani had resigned as chairman of the Assembly of Experts and of the Expediency Council, two key government bodies. This report remains unconfirmed.

More intriguing are similarly unsubstantiated claims that Rafsanjani is in the holy city of Qom, where he once studied and where he has strong links to a moderate clerical body, the Association of Combatant Clergy. Rafsanjani was said to be assessing whether he has sufficient votes in the 86-member Assembly of Experts to dismiss Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader and Ahmadinejad's chief patron. Under Iran's constitution, only the assembly has the power to do this.

The super-rich Rafsanjani, his family, and his supporters in the reformist Kargozaran party make no bones about helping finance and direct Mir Hossein Mousavi's campaign to topple Ahmadinejad, whom they despise. But with Mousavi ostensibly beaten, the developing post-election struggle now pits Rafsanjani against Khamenei rather than the president – who is widely seen as a mouthpiece for the hardline fundamentalism typified by the Supreme Leader. Although he is supposed to stay above the fray, Khamenei endorsed Ahmadinejad this time, just as in the second round of the 2005 election.

Rafsanjani has made no secret of his belief that foreign and economic policies pursued during the past four years under Khamenei's guidance have seriously damaged the Islamic Republic. His frustrations came to a head last week after Ahmadinejad was allowed to publicly accuse him of corruption. In an angry letter he lambasted Khamenei for failing to uphold the country's dignity. In what was in effect an unprecedented challenge to Khamenei's authority, he implied the Supreme Leader, normally above criticism, was negligent, partial, and possibly involved in plans to steal the election.

"I am expecting you to resolve this position in order to extinguish the fire, whose smoke can be seen in the atmosphere, and to foil dangerous plots," Rafsanjani wrote. "If the system cannot or does not want to confront such ugly and sin-infected phenomena as insults, lies and false allegations, how can we consider ourselves followers of the sacred Islamic system?"

Rafsanjani remains unpopular with many Iranians who believe the corruption claims and blame him for a murderous, covert campaign to silence dissidents at home and abroad during his 1989-97 presidency. Those latter allegations earned him another nickname: the "grey eminence". At the same time he is respected as one of the Islamic revolution's founding fathers and a close associate of its first leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. As a result he can count on some powerful friends if he decides to try to shame Khamenei into allowing an election re-run or standing down.

Apart from his clerical allies in Qom, prominent establishment conservatives such as Ali Akbar Velayati and Ali Akbar Nateq-Nuri have criticised Ahmadinejad. So, too, has Ali Larijani, the influential Majlis (parliament) speaker and former national security chief. The mayor of Tehran, Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf, is another potential ally, as are the former president Mohammad Khatami, Mousavi, the other defeated presidential candidates, and their millions of thwarted supporters.

If mobilised, his would comprise an elite coalition operating inside the hierarchy of the Islamic Republic, rather than from outside on the streets. It would not be a democratic movement; but it would be a dagger held to Khamenei's breast. Not for nothing is the Machiavellian Rafsanjani, pistachio nut millionaire, pragmatist and ruthless political survivor, known by yet another nickname: the "kingmaker". Iran awaits his next move.

Rafsanjani: shark or kingmaker? | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk



A small note: I disagree with the evaluation of the author that Rafsanjani would be able to put together such an "elite coalition", and ally himself with individuals such as Terhan's Mayor Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf and Majlis Speaker Ali Larijani. Dr. Qalibaf has done an excellent job as major of Tehran, is a highly educated individual, and he has criticized Ahmadinejad on economic policy issues and internal matters, and isn't really part of the fray between Rafsanjani and Ahmadinejad. He was considering running for President himself, but never carried through to become a candidate. Should he run for President in a future election, I would hope that he wins. Also, Ali Larijani, although being a critic of Ahmadinejad and having clashed with him on political matters and foreign policy, is a staunch supporter of Ayatollah Khamenei and wouldn't position himself with Rafsanjani against the supreme leader. Even former President Khatami wouldn't want to see Rafsanjani at the helm of the Islamic republic instead of Khamenei and would oppose Rafsanjani, recognizing the potential destabilizing effect that an attempted coup by Rafsanjani would have on Iran.
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A total of 234,812 votes were cast outside Iran, out of which Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won 78,300; Mehdi Karroubi won 4,647; Mohsen Rezaei won 3,635 and Mir-Hossein Moussavi won 111,792 votes.
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CNN: Iran opposition leader Mir Hossein Moussavi: "Election fraud was obvious"
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You want to justify for me censorship?? When freedom of the speech is violated there is no democracy...therefore you shall not claim Iran is a democracy.

Whatever the western media is BS-ing by censoring the media is working against them!!

There are just few things which pi$$ me off more than violating civil liberties and the ones who find excuses for it!! shou hal 3ayb!!
I never said Iran was a democracy. Furthermore, you seem to have this idea that the West does not practice censorship in overt or subtle ways. Do I need to talk to you about Bush's wiretapping program, which is a blatant form of violation of freedom of speech? Why are al-Qaeda websites blocked on my US internet browser? Isn't this censorship? Iran is not the West. Iran is a more or less isolated country that is under threat everyday from military attack by the world's most aggressive superpower and its sidekick Israel. I don't think you understand that there is a coup attempt happening here, and we have yet to see a lick of justification for it.

Even the West practices censorship during times of danger. To say that the West isn't circling Iran like a hungry shark is disingenuous and naive. The West is looking for any way possible to discredit the leadership of Iran.

Another thing that some on this thread do not seem to realize is that if the Opposition had won, the exact same thing would be happening in Lebanon at this very instant.
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are you serious?? what has 1917 have to do here?? I wouldnt use such big words, this revolution is not going anywhere beyond Tehran...the only thing I hope for Israel wont launch an attack... now that would mess up things surely to say the least...but as I expect, both sides are good at bluffing, so what you see is just parade.
i am dead serious. this is not about ahmadinejad, musavi, rafsandjani or khamenei. this is not even about a state called iran. this is much more.

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mark my words, the only ones that willbe destroyed are those who bet on zionists and america. they are the losers befor ethe fight even starts, because God is always on the side of the oppressed if the oppressed are fighting in the name of God. maybe what is happening now is good, because it will give opportunity to purge the zionists in iran, now that they have shown, one by one, their faces. and believe me, they will be purged, if they keep this up. maybe they can set up another camp ashraf in Iraq, or maybe they won't be that lucky as MKO even.
i don't care about mujahedin e khalq, you keep them, the ones who built the pasdaran are but a splinter of their original organisation back in the 70s anyway. they are of your flesh and blood. (and keep musavi too, he is yours, we will not have him, and rafsandjani too. the ones you should be afraid of, their names you have never heard.)

one of our mistakes back in 1978 was to let them have their way, they gave us to the killers on a silver tablet. it is no consolation that they were killed alongside ours.

our cause has no martyrs, and our dead are sadly not the ones who enter paradise. but we will take revenge against those who made our lives hell on earth, and we will not forget a single killing on our way to paradise on earth. let it be a reminder to you! we can not make those you killed live again: all the worse for the killers.

the oppressed fight in the name of god, true enough, but there will be a day you will be ashamed to utter those words, and that will be the day we make our very own judgement day, and it is coming soon. be afraid, be very afraid. this will destroy you.
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lol... which plant are you living on "punkgirlie"?
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Note that this is the 1st time in Iranian elections that the losing candidate has won in Tehran (the city proper not the province). Maybe it IS the case that 1/3rd of the Tehran city residents (which are upper class or upper-middle class) are tyrannical & do not accept democracy except when their favorite candidate wins ??? This seems to be a confrontation between 1/3rd of Tehran and the rest of the country.

Note that the submission of tu3un in Iran has also to be accompanied by documentation/evidence. So far, we have seen none provided to western media by Moussavi and his thugs... I do not presume that this is because Moussavi was hiding his cards.
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Most of the 14M supporters in this thread, don't really understand what the situation is in Iran,
The Reformists aren't saying NO to the islamic system of Iran, they are saying NO to the election's results.
And as Learned already explained, this is AhmadiNajad Vs. Rafsanjani battle on one side, and the economic plan of both counterparts on the other.

So don't you get any high hopes, do some research first, even if the reformist win, they surely won't be sitting side by side with the 'Arab Moderation Axis' (KSA - Egypt - Jordan) [By the way if you guys are pushing for democracy you should really start cleaning your own house first].

As for my opinion on this matter, well I don't really care who the President is (I am not Iranian obviously), as long as the majority of the Iranians are happy with their President, it's fine by me, it wouldn't really change Iran's Foreign policy in the region either way ;) (Both Reformists and Conservatives believe in a Nuclear Iran).

Good luck to Iran and to the Iranian people, may you solve your own problems with no bloodshed, and unlike all 'revolutions', say no to foreign intereference.
but the people on the ground the majority of them are against this Islamic dictatorship regime and thats why they are protesting and we all know that they cant go out with anti Islamic slogans as it would not benefit them

you are right probably if mousawi take the power in Iran it does not mean he will go against the Islamic regime but the people are out on the street because of this Islamic regime for them mousawi is an good opportunity

the Iranian people are simply saying by just going out in the streets:
we want good relationship with the west
we dont care about any dame Arab cause!
don't waste our money on something we don't care about (arabs)
we care only about iran
we want more individual freedom
And dont F* tell us how we should wear our cloth and how we should live our life! and the last point is most important one for them i think!
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Seven killed at Tehran rally, more protests planned | Reuters

Iran ready for partial recount in disputed vote


TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's top legislative body said on Tuesday it was ready to carry out a partial recount in a disputed presidential election that has prompted the biggest street protests since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

Iranians outraged by Mirhossein Mousavi's defeat in what they viewed as a stolen election were planning another rally later in the day, even though seven people were killed on Monday on the fringes of a huge march through the streets of Tehran.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's supporters called for a counter-rally at the same Tehran square, setting the scene for more confrontation in the turmoil that has riveted attention on the world's fifth biggest oil exporter since Friday's poll.

Iranian state television said on Tuesday the "main agents" in post-election unrest had been arrested with explosives and guns, without elaborating.

U.S. President Barack Obama, who has sought to reach out to Iran asking its leadership to "unclench its fist," said he was deeply troubled by post-election violence in Iran and protesters who had taken to the streets had inspired the world.

In what appeared to be a first concession by the authorities to the protest movement, the 12-man Guardian Council said it was ready to re-tally votes in the election in which the hardline Ahmadinejad was declared a runaway winner.

But a spokesman for the council said only that it was "ready to recount the disputed ballot boxes claimed by some candidates, in the presence of their representatives."

"It is possible that there may be some changes in the tally after the recount," spokesman Abbasali Kadkhodai was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency.

A senior reformist ally of Mousavi and another losing candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, said they wanted a fresh election to be held, rather than a partial recount.

Mousavi has asked the Guardian Council to annul the vote, but has said he was not optimistic about its verdict.

Ahmadinejad was endorsed as "the new president" by the Russian government on Tuesday during his first foreign trip since official results showed he had won re-election.

Iran's English-language Press TV said seven people were killed and several wounded at the end of Monday's rally -- a mainly peaceful gathering attended by many tens of thousands -- when "thugs" tried to attack a military post in central Tehran.

It gave no details of how the seven deaths occurred.

An Iranian photographer at the scene had said Islamic militiamen opened fire when people in the crowd attacked a post of the Basij religious militia.

Tehran has already seen three days of the biggest and most violent anti-government protests in three decades and Mousavi supporters have pledged to keep up the pressure.

Further protests, especially if they are maintained on the same scale, would be a direct challenge to authorities who have kept a tight grip on dissent since the 1979 overthrow of the U.S.-backed shah after months of demonstrations.

"Tomorrow at 5 p.m. (1230 GMT) at Vali-ye Asr Square," some of the crowd chanted at Monday's march, referring to a major road junction in the sprawling city of 12 million.

Ahmadinejad supporters plan a rally at the same square just an hour earlier, the semi-official Fars News said. It quoted an organization affiliated to the government as saying the gathering would be "in protest against the recent agitation and destruction of public property."

Press TV said Mousavi had called for calm at what it called his supporters' "illegally" planned rally.

LEADING REFORMIST ARRESTED

Leading Iranian reformist Mohammad Ali Abtahi, a former vice-president who backed pro-reform candidate Mehdi Karoubi in the election, was arrested early on Tuesday, his office said.

Reformist sources said another prominent reformer and Mousavi ally, Saeed Hajjarian, was arrested on Monday.

Obama said on Monday he was concerned by the violence.

"The democratic process, free speech, the ability of people to peacefully dissent -- all those are universal values and need to be respected," he told reporters.

The United States and its European allies have been trying to engage Iran and persuade Iran to halt nuclear work that could be used to make an atomic bomb. Iran says it wants nuclear energy only to generate electricity.

Obama said he would continue pursuing tough, direct dialogue with Tehran but urged that any Iranian investigation of election irregularities be conducted without bloodshed.

Demonstrators filled a broad avenue in central Tehran for several kilometers on Monday, chanting "We fight, we die, we will not accept this vote rigging," in support of Mousavi.

Mousavi was "ready to pay any price" in his fight against election irregularities, his website quoted him as saying.

"Tanks and guns have no use any longer," chanted the protesters in a deliberate echo of slogans used leading up to the 1979 revolution.

Members of Iran's security forces have at times fired into the air during the unrest and used batons to beat protesters who have pelted police with stones.

The Basij militia is a volunteer paramilitary force fiercely loyal to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who has the final say on all matters of state.

Gunfire was heard in three districts of wealthy northern Tehran late on Monday and residents said there had been peaceful pro-Mousavi demonstrations in the cities of Rasht, Orumiyeh, Zahedan, and Tabriz on Monday.
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Now that recount has been authorized, I wonder what these thugs will do when the outcome of the recount is the same as the initial count?? Ah of course, they will again say "where is my vote???" I guess if 11 million more votes don't exist, it means they were disappeared into thin air by a pro-Ahmadinejad magician, and not because they don't exist to begin with. :)

Ah, yes.. CNN: Opposition leader Mir Hossein Moussavi rejects recount

No wonder!!!
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