The Hypocrisy of Left-Wing Pan-Arab Ideology

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Originally Posted by Haruun

I engaged in a very intense but constructive debate today regarding Pan-Arab ideology and the greater leftist ideology in its scope in 2006. What my concern was, ultra left-wingers usually curse the West yet wish to immigrate there at the soonest chance they can get. The obvious and indisputable trend is that people in the world immigrate to Western countries while never wanting to immigrate to countries such as Saudi Arabia, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:country-region w:st="on">Iran</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Pakistan</st1:country-region>, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">North Korea</st1:country-region></st1:place>, etc.
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min asdak bel ultra left wingers ??

[gramsci]

Originally Posted by Renegade

It's a long story my friend big-bro
the chinese boom brought recession to these south american countries
with backward leftist ideologies we will reach nowhere we will have cuba style country
what about the EU - PAC ? or you only see the US?
all the boudaries are fading people are coming together and you are talking about protectionism and the role of the state....
it's always hard to convince everybody.... but keep in mind that left is not right

if u say that the communism ideology failed thats mean u dont know anything about it ,, associating what happen in soviet union with the ideloogy faileur is what we call " faute de principe " .
what happen in soviet union , is a natural consequesce for the stalinist politic and post war era , yalta agreement . and i wont go into details but ill suggest on u to read more about the conflict that happened between stalin and trotskij and what is the basis for this conflict aand before his death what lenin said about stalin . thats to understand what happened in russia.
to know more about the comunism which u call failure , i suggest on ur to read more about the comunist ideology , and its critic for the capitalism and i suggest on u a great book for josef schumpeter called : capitalism socialism and democracy ,
in brief ill tell u that socialim is our future ,

[gramsci]

Originally Posted by Stella23

Well I dont know much about it, so I would be curious, that is there today still a considerable Pan-arabism movement? Like it was during the cold war era? Is the concept of pan-arabism still relevant, and makes any sense?
It isnt really clear for me as well, why the pan-arabism should be associated with left-wing policy? Especially talking in the frame of the present context, and not the cold-war era concept.

Regarding hypocrisy in general by the arab world toward the west, I agree, you are right Haruun about it.



I dont believe in the idea of "centrist" by the way. For me its very illusionary. You have to stand/choose a side, theres no middle way in politics I guess.

well the centrist never work , cos based on the dialectic made by heguel , every mouvment or progress is the natural result of the contraries reaction , in anysystem there is a need for left and right , in any mouvment in any idea there must be many tendences other wise things wont go on .

[Stella]

Originally Posted by gramsci

well the centrist never work , cos based on the dialectic made by heguel , every mouvment or progress is the natural result of the contraries reaction , in anysystem there is a need for left and right , in any mouvment in any idea there must be many tendences other wise things wont go on .

Based on practice, the parties calling themselves centrists has never been pure centrists at all, actually they either sided with right or left.
However Free_Patriot raised an important point, that the rightist and leftist parties tend to loose their pure ideology and mixing one others's, so that they become ever like centrist mass party, satisfying a bigger base of electors. Thats what you raised right? However I think these parties do preserve those basic ideologies and values within their programmes which make them either being a leftist or rightist party.