how accurate is the number 6,000,000?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

I am not really interested in joining this discussion, but for the most part, the western world tends to agree on the number, the arab and muslim world tends to disagree with the number, and the rest probably don't care much about it.

you may want to read the site Holocaust Educational Resource, which tries to put itself to the task of debunking critics/deniers, considered a controversial move because it supposedly gives them more than their due weight (e.g. none, after so much evidence has been collected).

if you really care (not sure why, though), you would also be prudent to read yad vashem's site.

I disagree... Most known holocaust deniers are Europeans... Arabs usually try to dissociate from those deniers, because they don't want to be confused with Nazis, and hence don't want anti-zionism to be confused with nazism!

[ArabJew]

Originally Posted by dodzi

I disagree... Most known holocaust deniers are Europeans... Arabs usually try to dissociate from those deniers, because they don't want to be confused with Nazis, and hence don't want anti-zionism to be confused with nazism!

Please differ between professional holocaust denial (practiced in europe) and casual holocaust denial. one is related to neo-nazism, the other is not. it's woefully inaccurate to talk about arab holocaust denial in terms of nazism, the only links which do make sense is the infamous mufti hajj amin al husayni and the granting of asylum to known nazi criminals (e.g. alouis brunner), but other than that, it makes no sense.

nonetheless, from what i've heard, holocaust denial (full or partial) is indeed prevalent in arab countries, mostly out of ignorance. perhaps that's why it's not so common in lebanon. but it does exist.

I've already written on the subject more than i planned, the astute reader has plenty of material accessible.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

Please differ between professional holocaust denial (practiced in europe) and casual holocaust denial. one is related to neo-nazism, the other is not. it's woefully inaccurate to talk about arab holocaust denial in terms of nazism, the only links which do make sense is the infamous mufti hajj amin al husayni and the granting of asylum to known nazi criminals (e.g. alouis brunner), but other than that, it makes no sense.

nonetheless, from what i've heard, holocaust denial (full or partial) is indeed prevalent in arab countries, mostly out of ignorance. perhaps that's why it's not so common in lebanon. but it does exist.

I've already written on the subject more than i planned, the astute reader has plenty of material accessible.

What I've seen in the Arab world is more supporters of Hitler perhaps... If you support Hitler, than you're not denying the Holocaust are you?

Hella2 for sure there are those who deny it happened. But that's a normal reaction to someone who hates the Jews, because they're doing the same to the Palestinians (maybe less cruel, but they're "exterminating" them in a very different but no less condemnable way).

I know there are those Holocaust deniers who just can't wait to bash on Jews, whether in Iran, KSA, Lebanon... But most Arabs I know either say "Hitler was right" or "yes but look at what the Jews are doing to the Arabs now!" (responding to someone who's talking about the Holocaust).

Anyways I'm not saying they're a majority (the deniers and the supporters of the Holocaust). Most Arabs just tend to minimize its importance... They'll just say "yeah okay but it doesn't have anything to do with us", or "yeah but they're doing the same now to Arabs"...

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by dodzi

What I've seen in the Arab world is more supporters of Hitler perhaps... If you support Hitler, than you're not denying the Holocaust are you?

Hella2 for sure there are those who deny it happened. But that's a normal reaction to someone who hates the Jews, because they're doing the same to the Palestinians (maybe less cruel, but they're "exterminating" them in a very different but no less condemnable way).

I know there are those Holocaust deniers who just can't wait to bash on Jews, whether in Iran, KSA, Lebanon... But most Arabs I know either say "Hitler was right" or "yes but look at what the Jews are doing to the Arabs now!" (responding to someone who's talking about the Holocaust).

Anyways I'm not saying they're a majority (the deniers and the supporters of the Holocaust). Most Arabs just tend to minimize its importance... They'll just say "yeah okay but it doesn't have anything to do with us", or "yeah but they're doing the same now to Arabs"...

Which, as we know, is factually untrue.
Problem is somebody is teaching those lies and the rest of the Arab world readily accepts it.

[Zayn]

Arabs need to realize that the West doesn't give Israel a free-hand to do whatever it wants because of shame from the holocaust.

[Frisbeetarian]

I am not really interested in joining this discussion, but for the most part, the western world tends to agree on the number, the arab and muslim world tends to disagree with the number, and the rest probably don't care much about it.

you may want to read the site Holocaust Educational Resource, which tries to put itself to the task of debunking critics/deniers, considered a controversial move because it supposedly gives them more than their due weight (e.g. none, after so much evidence has been collected).

if you really care (not sure why, though), you would also be prudent to read yad vashem's site.

Try to answer some of the questions raised in this disscussion.

Please differ between professional holocaust denial (practiced in europe) and casual holocaust denial. one is related to neo-nazism, the other is not. it's woefully inaccurate to talk about arab holocaust denial in terms of nazism, the only links which do make sense is the infamous mufti hajj amin al husayni and the granting of asylum to known nazi criminals (e.g. alouis brunner), but other than that, it makes no sense.

nonetheless, from what i've heard, holocaust denial (full or partial) is indeed prevalent in arab countries, mostly out of ignorance. perhaps that's why it's not so common in lebanon. but it does exist.

I've already written on the subject more than i planned, the astute reader has plenty of material accessible.

In red: really? How so?
Before we go deeper into this discussion. Have you read Roger Garaudy's "The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics"?

Which, as we know, is factually untrue.
Problem is somebody is teaching those lies and the rest of the Arab world readily accepts it.

What do you call forced mass deportation?
red: So your saying that there is no U.S plan to control and dominate the area?

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

What do you call forced mass deportation?

Do you mean mass deportation of Jews from Arab countries?
Unless Jews were deported straight into gas chambers or concentration camps at very least I would never call it a Holocaust. So, your conscience can rest easy.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

So your saying that there is no U.S plan to control and dominate the area?

US is big and it has big interests but there is never a desire to submit and dominate. You could be my equal friend just as easily and I assure you, you will stand to gain much more than otherwise. Just take a look at Israel. But that aside, what Holocaust got to do with it?

[Frisbeetarian]

Do you mean mass deportation of Jews from Arab countries?

Hmm even if this were to be true, your conversational nature glows in light of your response. You know exactly what i mean, The mass deportation of Palestinians from their homes and villages, once we tackle this subject, ill gladly move over to the one your provided.

Unless Jews were deported straight into gas chambers or concentration camps at very least I would never call it a Holocaust. So, your conscience can rest easy.

Coherence pls. Jews?

But that aside, what Holocaust got to do with it?

Its because of the U.S's plans and ambitions, and the wrecking it has brought to the people of this land from decades that they believe and stand with anything that is aimed agains the Jews and their illegal nation.

US is big and it has big interests but there is never a desire to submit and dominate. You could be my equal friend just as easily and I assure you, you will stand to gain much more than otherwise.

And if i dont? Youll invade me like you invaded Irak?

The narrative isnt going anywhere, reason of my short response, our friend is too deeply thrust in the bosom of U.S mass media propaganda.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Hmm even if this were to be true, your conversational nature glows in light of your response. You know exactly what i mean, The mass deportation of Palestinians from their homes and villages, once we tackle this subject, ill gladly move over to the one your provided.

It is true.
And yes, I know what you mean and if it is were to be true we have nothing more than population exchange. You got yours and we got ours. I see no need to argue and split hairs.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Coherence pls. Jews?

I cannot do any better than I did. I suggest you try reading it again.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Its because of the U.S's plans and ambitions, and the wrecking it has brought to the people of this land from decades that they believe and stand with anything that is aimed agains the Jews and their illegal nation.

This is just a rant. Israel is a friend and ally. We help each other in the hour of need. As to legality of Israel, it is there and it is home. Rest is irrelevant.
And of cause it is no more illegal than any surrounding Arab state. Actually, much more legal than most of Israel's neighbors.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

And if i dont? Youll invade me like you invaded Irak?

Not necessarily. Decision is always comprised of great many factors but bottom line is it has to be feasible.

[Aoun4lebanon]

Hitler & the Zionists part 1 of 2

Please check, sounds very interesting.