how accurate is the number 6,000,000?

[Frisbeetarian]

As you suggested I Googled "Stern, Hitler Diaries":

"Stern, Hitler Diaries" - Google Search

and this is the first thing, which pops up:

The Hitler Diaries, a notorious case of forgery - Crime Library on truTV.com

Did you by any chance try to read the content of it? If so, you may me ask as many questions as u like, for my father is one of the few people who still retains copies of the original articles published. I have an amount of information about this subject, which may reflect oppositly to the things you will read on the net about it.

Let's not get sidetracked. I am in no mood for discussing archeology.

No sidetrack, no discussion, just give me a link so i can verify the information please.

Pro Israeli spare us your plitical correctness, you can't question nor deny the holocaust anyware in the world without being chased by the zionist attack dogs period,
David Cole, A young Jewish holocaust denier, posing as a believer, puts some hard questions to the senior curator of the Auschwitz State Museum. After making a video, which exposed many lies and the reconstruction done to ausschwitz bomb shelter under the excuse of restoration to original specs, a "hit" was put out on Cole, and a reward for information on his whereabouts was issued by Irv Rubin (who years later, was arrested by the FBI for planning to kill a Lebanese-American Congressman.) Fearing assassination, Cole went into hiding. He never surfaced again publicly.
I saw the video and the highlight of the video that struck me, is when he asked the care taker of the Auschwitz compund about those holes in the ceiling (where supposetly the gas cans were dropped) why they were constructed recently, he replied they were constructed to restore them to original condition, wait a minute so everyone that visits Auschwitz is actually looking at a reconstruction of gas chambers? might as well be a uneversal studio tour, lol
And listen this is just a taste, there are a plethora of information about the shrunken heads and the lamp shades in Bushenwad that were retracted later, the billy wilder movie , Ahhm sorry documentary where he accidently steps into the camrea while posing a couple of skinny jews, yea yea and people jews and none jews dying from lice, etc etc etc
Many people died in the war jews and none jews , no one was gased , all this voodo stuff about the nazi is comical yea right the most highly technological race on earth where into voodoo and shrunken heads, if you wanna make something up at least make it beleivable.
No one denies that jews were rounded up in camps, and yes they were used as free labor to manufacter weapons and amunition, sure it makes sense since they declared war on him to start with, no one denies that many died from hungre and desease, if he wanted to kills them why did he shave there hair to save them from dying from lice then? it does not make sense all these cans of pestecise were used to save them not gas them ,
and the biggest evidence against the holocaust is the fact that you keep trying to illegalise it's denial, why is that ? you can deny God but you can't deny the holocaust ? this is rediculous and the other big eveidence against it is the fact that you keep reminding people of it.
ah whatever it's a long story and even a longer string of lies it will take me days to argu this with you, so yea whatever the holocaust is real dude, so keep crying about it.

Can you please provide this video's link?

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Xguy

Pro Israeli spare us your...

Feel free to disregard my posts.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by kappa273

actually, i don't agree with u...

i may not be an archaelogy expert

It makes two of us.

Originally Posted by kappa273

but from my readings, there has not been any jewish archeological artifacts dating back to before 550BC in the land now known as Israel...

Well, it makes it 2500 years ago, not 3500, but still quite old.

Originally Posted by kappa273

the claims to have found evidence pointing to the first temple were actually found away from the temple mount at a garbage site...

OK, and what does that evidence say?

Originally Posted by kappa273

and in a land where a lot of archaelogical excavations and searches have been performed, don't u find it a little surprising that there were no ruins dating back to before 550BC?

Archeological evidence is not comprised solely of building structures. But still, if you are right it is interesting. Is there physical evidence of Canaanites battling Jewish invaders, which happened much earlier than 550BC or it exists only in record?

Originally Posted by kappa273

i know this is out of topic... but it is also as interesting to discuss..

Yes. I just do not feel being sufficiently equipped to continue.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Did you by any chance try to read the content of it?

No, I did not. To me there is no denial Holocaust existed. If I were to make my profession refuting denyers then perhaps. As of today it would be waste of my time. There are great many people who would do much better job than I would. It is good enough for me to know that my mother-in-law's family was murdered in Minsk ghetto in Feb of 1943 along with tens of thousands of other Jews, and all in one day. That many people probably did not die in 60 years of Arab-Israeli conflict.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

No sidetrack, no discussion, just give me a link so i can verify the information please.

I do not have a link. But if you are still genuinely interested I am sure you can find it easily.

BTW, here is something interesting for you:

I saw the video and the highlight of the video that struck me, is when he asked the care taker of the Auschwitz compund about those holes in the ceiling (where supposetly the gas cans were dropped) why they were constructed recently, he replied they were constructed to restore them to original condition, wait a minute so everyone that visits Auschwitz is actually looking at a reconstruction of gas chambers? might as well be a uneversal studio tour, lol

I do not know whose fault is it. Whether it is the movie itself of Xguy's interpretation of the movie but.
Gas cans were never dropped through holes in the ceiling. Cyclon-B gas was stored in cans, which were hooked to pipes delivering it to shower heads mounted in the ceiling.

Now, restoring something old (take old art or buildings for example) is as natural as asking question how well restoration was performed.
I see this Cole character (or Xguy) dwelling on the fact of restoration. However, I do not see him (or Xguy) trying to answer, as respectable researcher would, whether restoration is correct or not.

Example with Universal Studios is very good one. Those guys are known for their very serious approach to copying.

[Xguy]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Can you please provide this video's link?

read your PM

[Xguy]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

No, I did not. To me there is no denial Holocaust existed. If I were to make my profession refuting denyers then perhaps. As of today it would be waste of my time. There are great many people who would do much better job than I would. It is good enough for me to know that my mother-in-law's family was murdered in Minsk ghetto in Feb of 1943 along with tens of thousands of other Jews, and all in one day. That many people probably did not die in 60 years of Arab-Israeli conflict.



I do not have a link. But if you are still genuinely interested I am sure you can find it easily.

BTW, here is something interesting for you:

I saw the video and the highlight of the video that struck me, is when he asked the care taker of the Auschwitz compund about those holes in the ceiling (where supposetly the gas cans were dropped) why they were constructed recently, he replied they were constructed to restore them to original condition, wait a minute so everyone that visits Auschwitz is actually looking at a reconstruction of gas chambers? might as well be a uneversal studio tour, lol

I do not know whose fault is it. Whether it is the movie itself of Xguy's interpretation of the movie but.
Gas cans were never dropped through holes in the ceiling. Cyclon-B gas was stored in cans, which were hooked to pipes delivering it to shower heads mounted in the ceiling.

Now, restoring something old (take old art or buildings for example) is as natural as asking question how well restoration was performed.
I see this Cole character (or Xguy) dwelling on the fact of restoration. However, I do not see him (or Xguy) trying to answer, as respectable researcher would, whether restoration is correct or not.

Example with Universal Studios is very good one. Those guys are known for their very serious approach to copying.

Lol Frisbeetarian I sent you the link to the movie now after watching it, please come back here and comment on Pro Israelis weak deffense I don't have the time for that, explain to him the difference between restoration and alteration, and the difference between gas chambers and bomb shelters

thanks

BTW PI can you explain to us how do you hook up thousand of cans to the shower pipes, as one of the biggest claims is the picture of hundreds or thousands of cylone-B cans right?, so how did they do it? one can at the time? and how did they pressure thru the pipes? wouldn't be easier for such a huge opertaion to bring in a big gas truck and hook up the line to the plumbing? wouldn't be silly to use small cans, elaborate on this please, this gotta be entertaining.

[SISCO]

Originally Posted by Xguy

Lol Frisbeetarian I sent you the link to the movie now after watching it, please come back here and comment on Pro Israelis weak deffense I don't have the time for that, explain to him the difference between restoration and alteration, and the difference between gas chambers and bomb shelters

thanks

BTW PI can you explain to us how do you hook up thousand of cans to the shower pipes, as one of the biggest claims is the picture of hundreds or thousands of cylone-B cans right?, so how did they do it? one can at the time? and how did they pressure thru the pipes? wouldn't be easier for such a huge opertaion to bring in a big gas truck and hook up the line to the plumbing? wouldn't be silly to use small cans, elaborate on this please, this gotta be entertaining.

Why not posting the link in public ?

[dodzi]

The thread is going

We are not discussing Israel here, even if Israel invests a lot of money to remind people of the Holocaust... We are discussing the numbers, and if they were manipulated or not.

Discussing Israel's history, whether post-WWII or BC is irrelevant!

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Xguy

Lol Frisbeetarian I sent you the link to the movie now after watching it, please come back here and comment on Pro Israelis weak deffense I don't have the time for that, explain to him the difference between restoration and alteration, and the difference between gas chambers and bomb shelters

First, word you used was 'restoration', no 'alteration'. Do not try to weasel out now.

Second, regardless of semantics game serious researcher would've tried to compare restored/altered version with original before drawing solid conclusion. So, how different restored version is from original?

Originally Posted by Xguy

BTW PI can you explain to us how do you hook up thousand of cans to the shower pipes, as one of the biggest claims is the picture of hundreds or thousands of cylone-B cans right?, so how did they do it? one can at the time? and how did they pressure thru the pipes? wouldn't be easier for such a huge opertaion to bring in a big gas truck and hook up the line to the plumbing? wouldn't be silly to use small cans, elaborate on this please, this gotta be entertaining.

Why do you like 'thousands' more than 'hundreds' or 'millions'?
Is it because 'hundreds' would've made cans so big they would've not fit into a pipe or 'millions' would made cans so small they would be impossible to see and handle?
Please, re-read that post of your again and unless you are telling me you were trying to make a joke I am no longer interested in conversing with you.

[Aoun4lebanon]

You can deny the Virgin Birth in the Western world. You can claim Blessed Mary was a harlot. You can deny the Resurrection. You can deny the Israeli holocaust against Palestinians and the Allied holocaust against Dresden. All of these according to the Judaic thought-police are mere “opinions” of men.

But the only divine truth that the Judaics demand the world must confess is execution gas chambers in Auschwitz. This is what the Judaic “Holocaust” theology has created: the de-sacrilegation of Christianity and state-enforced belief in what I term, “Holocaustianity.”

The Judaic “Holocaust” theology represents the gradual erosion of the claims of the New Testament and the increasing supremacy of Orthodox Judaism’s worldview. (Hoffman)

Read letter from Michael Hoffman to the Pope.
Link


Thursday, February 05, 2009
Hoffman's Letter to Pope Benedict XVI
I believe in freedom of speech for Bishop Williamson

Pope Benedict XVI
Vatican City

benedictxvi@vatican.va

Your Holiness

Is it not true that under the Second Vatican Council's doctrine of Religious Liberty, that Bishop Richard N. Williamson has the right to express his conscience and opinion on the subject of execution gas chambers in Auschwitz? Why is the Council's doctrine of liberty being suspended in his case?

Your Secretary of State has made belief in the "Shoah" a criterion for holding office in the Church. Is the rabbinic "Shoah" mysticism now a dogma of the Roman Catholic Church?

If so, on what Biblical, patristic and theological basis is the warning of the Apostle Paul in Titus 1:14 now overthrown?

Do Catholics no longer have the right to doubt or question aspects of secular history? Does the Magsterium of the Church now decree the undoubted veracity of the figure of Six Million deceased Judaic persons, and the undoubted existence of a mass killing operation in Auschwitz-Birkenau, conducted by means of poison gas chambers?

Are you aware of the extent to which the Crucifixion of Christ has been replaced by Auschwitz as the central ontological event of western history? Do you wish to be complicit in the disastrous effects that continue to accrue from this derogation of Jesus and deification of man?

I firmly believe in freedom of speech for Bishop Williamson. I am deeply troubled by your attempted suppression of his rights in this matter. It would seem that, under your pontificate, casting doubt on a supposition of secular history is now a de facto heresy. I can find no grounds for this innovation in Scripture or Catholic tradition.

I also urge you to compassionately use your influence to solicit the immediate release of the imprisoned chemist Germar Rudolf, who has been jailed for more than a year in Germany, for writing scholarly books (http://www.vho.org/dl/ENG/loth.pdf) on the technical and scientific aspects of the alleged homicidal gas chambers. His suffering and that of his young family must not be ignored or dismissed. He deserves mercy. He has committed no crime. His continuing incarceration in Germany is a scandal and a disgrace for which German Chancellor Angela Merkel bears grave responsibility.

Sincerely,

Michael Hoffman

Idaho, USA