how accurate is the number 6,000,000?

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

If you hold a position of power, or any public position and then say that you do not believe that 6 million jews died in WWII you will be destroyed, you may think the number is 1 million, or whatever, but you will still be destroyed. I find this strange, and makes me think someone is trying to hide something. There is no harm in people examinign the issue.

It is true that I can go out and research myself, it probably is something I will get around to doing but this is not what is needed, what is needed is a worldwide revisit of the events so we can all agree on the facts of the tragedies of WWII.

Assuming bold is true, and I hope it is, I see nothing wrong with it.
Denying facts is stupid and such unqualified, uneducated (or whatever else) person must not be allowed to lead.

Actually before world revisits what you feel it should revisit you must be able to convince the world to revisit something world had revisited long time ago and many times over.
But let it not stop you.
Good start for you would be to research how many time world already revisited what you want it to revisit.

[Frisbeetarian]

What you might try is to question actual numbers like good bishop does. Try bidding it to measly couple of thousands and then deny Holocaust on the grounds of too smaller numbers.

Fallacy. Holocaust no longer Holocaust if certain number not breached. Thousand killed != Holocaust.

Actually before world revisits what you feel it should revisit you must be able to convince the world to revisit something world had revisited long time ago and many times over.
But let it not stop you.
Good start for you would be to research how many time world already revisited what you want it to revisit.

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Revisionists:

David Irving
Pedro Varela
Germar Rudolf
Ernst Zundel
James Keegstra
Robert Faurisson
Roger Garaudy

"AUSTRIA

AUSTRIAN Holocaust denier Wolfgang Fröhlich was arrested in Vienna on June 21 in connection with the publication of his 368-page manuscript, The Gas Chamber Lie.

BELGIUM

ON September 9, Belgian Holocaust denier Siegfried Verbke was sentenced to a suspended prison term of one year and deprived of his civil rights for 10 years following his conviction for distributing pamphlets denying the Holocaust."

Holocaust denial: A global survey
https://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=172:

Misnomer regarding issue = revisit

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Why not? It is not my law. If you feel like denying Holocaust go right ahead.
If you have evidence that claims of Holocaust are lies people will eventually listen. But if you do not have reason to deny it and yet you do for political reasons or simply out of spite or hate it will not work and most likely will backfire (like in Ahmadinejad's case).

i am not denying the holocaust.. i just would like to see more evidence and this is what many have asked for and this is the main subject of my thread: Does anyone have any solid evidence? or can anyone refer us to solid evidence regarding the accuracy of the holocaust story?

Like I mentioned to Abufijli, there is no need to wonder.
Do your own research and answer this question for yourself once and for all.
Questioning everything is healthy. This is how people progress.
Denying the obvious, however, is self-damaging.

you have to start by denying and then prove yourself to be wrong and this would make your knowledge error-proof.. this is the theory of the counter-example...

Whether you believe it or not but you just successfully finished your research regarding fact of Holocaust.
You just proved to yourself and to the rest of us that you are not interested in facts but rather doing it out of hate.
I am totally cool with that but I'd appreciate next time you do not try to pile on mounts of BS but rather give it to me straight.

i like your style and this is what we've been criticizing throughout.. you don't believe in the holocaust (although i said that 200k-300k by itself is beyond description), you become a hater, an anti-semite (although i am a semite myself)...
and check again, i never denied the holocaust, i just wondered whether Williamson and what many others claimed could be true or not...



you are doing what the israeli government does daily.. u don't agree 100% with the israeli government decisions, you become anti-semite, a hater, a nazi, etc... etc....

oops... so many jews ended up being labelled as anti-semite..
it's amazing how in the 21st century, the politics of fear still works..

kappa

[Führer]

At least, it has been clear by now that what the allies called "gas chambers" back then, didn't exist at all since not a single proof or evidence was found to prove their existence.

[dodzi]

If you calculate the numbers exactly, you'll find out that one Jew was killed ever 30 seconds during a period of 7 years (1939-1945). I'm just finding it difficult to think that is possible, especially since the claim was made that 4 million were killed in Auschwitz alone...

Not to mention that there were others killed too: political opponents, homosexuals, "socially alienated" people, Roms, Soviet POWs, ethnic poles, disabled, Freemasons and Jehovah's witnesses, raising the numbers to 11 to 12 millions. Which means that one person was killed every 15 seconds!

It's too much. Plus, the numbers have constantly evolved. It was a couple of millions of Jews, Roms, Soviets, Poles, disabled and others, then it was around 5 to 6 millions of them, later it was over 6 millions Jews plus the others!

But of course, I'm not a historian, so I don't know. However, I'm just deploring this game the Jews always play, which leads to criminalization of revisionists, as if freedom of speech was open to everything except for this!

You can deny the Armenian genocide, you can deny the Roma genocide, you can deny Nazi war crimes against French, Belgians, Polish, but you can't deny the Holocaust... And of course, you can't even attack Israel for its crimes, or else you'll be antisemitic, which is just as good as being criminally convicted of a crime in certain countries!

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by kappa273

i am not denying the holocaust.. i just would like to see more evidence and this is what many have asked for and this is the main subject of my thread: Does anyone have any solid evidence? or can anyone refer us to solid evidence regarding the accuracy of the holocaust story?

Unfortunately you no longer have luxury to doubt the Holocaust for the sake of doubting. Entire world concluded that its a fact and long time ago. So, in order to question it you need to have evidence to the contrary and if you do not have it at least you should go and try to find one. Or if existing evidence is not enough for you go to archives (especially German) and see much more.
If, for example, you feel the need to question the fact that 2 + 2 == 4, by all mean. Just do not expect the rest of the world to have the same doubts.

Originally Posted by kappa273

you have to start by denying and then prove yourself to be wrong and this would make your knowledge error-proof.. this is the theory of the counter-example...

There is always more than one way to skin a cat and far for me be it to tell you how you should do it but regardless of your methods you still should get correct answer whatever it might be.

Originally Posted by kappa273

i like your style and this is what we've been criticizing throughout.. you don't believe in the holocaust (although i said that 200k-300k by itself is beyond description), you become a hater, an anti-semite (although i am a semite myself)...
and check again, i never denied the holocaust, i just wondered whether Williamson and what many others claimed could be true or not...


you are doing what the israeli government does daily.. u don't agree 100% with the israeli government decisions, you become anti-semite, a hater, a nazi, etc... etc....

oops... so many jews ended up being labelled as anti-semite..
it's amazing how in the 21st century, the politics of fear still works..

kappa

I do not remember anybody calling you anti-anything. At least in our conversation.
Like I said before asking questions is healthy. And as long as you are prepared to keep an open mind you have nothing to fear from answers you get.
It is only if you will decide changing answers to suite your wishes then you will become self-destructing.

[Frisbeetarian]

Unfortunately you no longer have luxury to doubt the Holocaust for the sake of doubting. Entire world concluded that its a fact and long time ago.

That is wrong, unless you consider Europe, North America and Australia to constitute the entire world.

So, in order to question it you need to have evidence to the contrary and if you do not have it at least you should go and try to find one.

If he tries they will put him in jail. Some people dont actually care to "reVISIT" these events because of:
Revisionists:

David Irving
Pedro Varela
Germar Rudolf
Ernst Zundel
James Keegstra
Robert Faurisson
Roger Garaudy

"AUSTRIA

AUSTRIAN Holocaust denier Wolfgang Fröhlich was arrested in Vienna on June 21 in connection with the publication of his 368-page manuscript, The Gas Chamber Lie.

BELGIUM

ON September 9, Belgian Holocaust denier Siegfried Verbke was sentenced to a suspended prison term of one year and deprived of his civil rights for 10 years following his conviction for distributing pamphlets denying the Holocaust."

Holocaust denial: A global survey
https://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=172

Or if existing evidence is not enough for you go to archives (especially German) and see much more.

WAIT, i have an idea, why dont u waltz in the german archives building, proclaim that your on a quest to uncover the truth about the Holocaust and then proceed on detailing how badly you were beaten. Thank you.

German archives? Hmmm kappa on your way there please look up Hitler's confiscated Diaries.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

That is wrong, unless you consider Europe, North America and Australia to constitute the entire world.



If he tries they will put him in jail. Some people dont actually care to "reVISIT" these events because of:
Revisionists:

David Irving
Pedro Varela
Germar Rudolf
Ernst Zundel
James Keegstra
Robert Faurisson
Roger Garaudy

"AUSTRIA

AUSTRIAN Holocaust denier Wolfgang Fröhlich was arrested in Vienna on June 21 in connection with the publication of his 368-page manuscript, The Gas Chamber Lie.

BELGIUM

ON September 9, Belgian Holocaust denier Siegfried Verbke was sentenced to a suspended prison term of one year and deprived of his civil rights for 10 years following his conviction for distributing pamphlets denying the Holocaust."

Holocaust denial: A global survey
https://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=172


WAIT, i have an idea, why dont u waltz in the german archives building, proclaim that your on a quest to uncover the truth about the Holocaust and then proceed on detailing how badly you were beaten. Thank you.

German archives? Hmmm kappa on your way there please look up Hitler's confiscated Diaries.

If Europe, North America and Australia do not constitute entire world then those few gentlemen you keep listing and quoting and crying about even less so.

Idea you have is actually a bad one. I am not the one doubting the Holocaust, you are. And fear none, you will not get jailed for doing research. You are just making lame excuse.

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Unfortunately you no longer have luxury to doubt the Holocaust for the sake of doubting. Entire world concluded that its a fact and long time ago. So, in order to question it you need to have evidence to the contrary and if you do not have it at least you should go and try to find one. Or if existing evidence is not enough for you go to archives (especially German) and see much more.
If, for example, you feel the need to question the fact that 2 + 2 == 4, by all mean. Just do not expect the rest of the world to have the same doubts.

apparently, the entire world is not convinced but the problem is that a policy of fear and a dictatorship style is being applied to anyone who questions the legitimacy of those assertions..

Stalin did the same thing and no one tried to question his regime.. Tianaminn Square in China also reminds me of that style...

let me give u a better answer to your theory..

for many years, people believed that beta-blockers should be contradicted in people with heart failure...

however, it was eventually found that they actually help and reduce mortality..

was it simply a misconception? or someone hated those beta-blockers and tried to keep them away from the market?

changing facts is something we see daily in business as well as politics..

for example, the Jews claim to have been in the land now known as israel for the last 5600 years.. well apparently, no one found any archaelogical relics dated back to the period before Babylon exile...
misconceptions or lies?

Originally Posted by PINI

I do not remember anybody calling you anti-anything. At least in our conversation.

u don't remember what you wrote or what?

Originally Posted by PINI said

You just proved to yourself and to the rest of us that you are not interested in facts but rather doing it out of hate.
I am totally cool with that but I'd appreciate next time you do not try to pile on mounts of BS but rather give it to me straight.

[Frisbeetarian]

If Europe, North America and Australia do not constitute entire world then those few gentlemen you keep listing and quoting and crying about even less so.

Idea you have is actually a bad one. I am not the one doubting the Holocaust, you are. And fear none, you will not get jailed for doing research. You are just making lame excuse.

Please next time try to construct sentences that can be comprehended. Maybe then i can take the argument u present seriously.

And fear none, you will not get jailed for doing research. You are just making lame excuse.

Really? And whats research if i cant speak my mind towards what i concluded?