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how accurate is the number 6,000,000? -
8th February 2009
The Nazi regime in WWII committed atrocities..
among them, I (myself) heard a lot and saw a lot of pictures about the "jewish holocaust" where more than 6 million were killed..
in addition, there are a lot of people who question those numbers, last but not least Bishop Williamson..
we are fortunate to have many jewish members or pro-jewish members. my question is:
-how accurate is the number of more than 6 millions?
it is well know that the winner writes history and at the end of the war, the allies needed to demonize the Nazis as much as possible to make their win more impressive and to explain the atrocities they committed themselves as well...
I really do not know, the number could very well be correct, the problem is that we are not allowed to have a discussion about the topc or we will be vilified. I do not deny it happenned but I would like to see an impartial panel revisit the events and try to accurately tell us once and for all what really happenned.
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I don't think that the number is accurate.If this is really what happened to the jews in that era , why don't they let anybody discuss it??? This means that they are scared od the reality and they only want to show how victimized theyt were for many reasons: money and keeping Palestine..
I think that the holocaust happened but not only against jews and not in those large numbers they claim...
I really do not know, the number could very well be correct, the problem is that we are not allowed to have a discussion about the topc or we will be vilified. I do not deny it happenned but I would like to see an impartial panel revisit the events and try to accurately tell us once and for all what really happenned.
Why would you be not allowed to discuss it?
Granted, some countries have laws forbidding denial but never a discussion.
Regarding bold. You do not need to wait for somebody else. You can do it yourself.
Granted, some countries have laws forbidding denial but never a discussion.
Regarding bold. You do not need to wait for somebody else. You can do it yourself.
i am sorry but i have to disagree with you....
look what happened to Bishop Williamson.. he thinks only 200k to 300k jews were killed (which is by itself an impressive number) were massacred and everyone in the world is asking for him to get excommunicated again...
to start with, his excommunication had nothing to do with jews or politics..
look at these couple of examples from wikipedia..
i am denying the happening of jewish genocide in WWII but simply i don't know much about it and there is a lot of controversy about this subject and find it unreasonable for people to be put in jail for denying it while others falsifying documents and scientific documents are only left in disgrace...
look what happened to Bishop Williamson.. he thinks only 200k to 300k jews were killed (which is by itself an impressive number) were massacred and everyone in the world is asking for him to get excommunicated again...
to start with, his excommunication had nothing to do with jews or politics..
look at these couple of examples from wikipedia..
i am denying the happening of jewish genocide in WWII but simply i don't know much about it and there is a lot of controversy about this subject and find it unreasonable for people to be put in jail for denying it while others falsifying documents and scientific documents are only left in disgrace...
kappa
I do not believe your examples contradict my earlier statement:
"Granted, some countries have laws forbidding denial but never a discussion."
About bold part. I have a feeling you accidentally left off a word or two. In any case I do not understand what you meant to say.
I do not believe your examples contradict my earlier statement:
"Granted, some countries have laws forbidding denial but never a discussion."
About bold part. I have a feeling you accidentally left off a word or two. In any case I do not understand what you meant to say.
you are right.. i forgot 3 letters "not"..
"i am not denying the happening........."
anyway, if you can't allow denial, how can you discuss it?
if the discussion has only one solution and one result, it is not a debate anymore, it is just a description of events....
what i am wondering is whether those events really happened or were actually an exaggeration.. this would then describe me as a "holocaust denier" and as such i may be considered outlaw in many countries... not to mention that i would be destroyed socially, professionnally... etc...
in all cases, frankly, i don't care (that much)...
i feel bad for the palestinians who are getting revenge at the hand of the israelis for what the Nazis have committed..
i feel bad for the germans who are labelled as savage people
i feel bad for humans' rights since something is considered taboo and not allowed to be discussed... amazing how i can make jokes about God, the Saints, all the apostles but not in this matter...
kappa
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Granted, some countries have laws forbidding denial but never a discussion.
Regarding bold. You do not need to wait for somebody else. You can do it yourself.
If you hold a position of power, or any public position and then say that you do not believe that 6 million jews died in WWII you will be destroyed, you may think the number is 1 million, or whatever, but you will still be destroyed. I find this strange, and makes me think someone is trying to hide something. There is no harm in people examinign the issue.
It is true that I can go out and research myself, it probably is something I will get around to doing but this is not what is needed, what is needed is a worldwide revisit of the events so we can all agree on the facts of the tragedies of WWII.
David Irving
Pedro Varela
Germar Rudolf
Ernst Zundel
James Keegstra
Robert Faurisson
Roger Garaudy
"AUSTRIA
AUSTRIAN Holocaust denier Wolfgang Fröhlich was arrested in Vienna on June 21 in connection with the publication of his 368-page manuscript, The Gas Chamber Lie.
BELGIUM
ON September 9, Belgian Holocaust denier Siegfried Verbke was sentenced to a suspended prison term of one year and deprived of his civil rights for 10 years following his conviction for distributing pamphlets denying the Holocaust."
anyway, if you can't allow denial, how can you discuss it?
Why not? It is not my law. If you feel like denying Holocaust go right ahead.
If you have evidence that claims of Holocaust are lies people will eventually listen. But if you do not have reason to deny it and yet you do for political reasons or simply out of spite or hate it will not work and most likely will backfire (like in Ahmadinejad's case).
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if the discussion has only one solution and one result, it is not a debate anymore, it is just a description of events....
I happened to believe one cannot trust anybody and if you feel you need to prove or disprove Holocaust for yourself of cause you go and do a research.
I for one do one question it due to overwhelming evidence but I may be too gullible or too biased to begin with.
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Originally Posted by kappa273
what i am wondering is whether those events really happened or were actually an exaggeration.. this would then describe me as a "holocaust denier" and as such i may be considered outlaw in many countries... not to mention that i would be destroyed socially, professionnally... etc...
Like I mentioned to Abufijli, there is no need to wonder.
Do your own research and answer this question for yourself once and for all.
Questioning everything is healthy. This is how people progress.
Denying the obvious, however, is self-damaging.
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Originally Posted by kappa273
in all cases, frankly, i don't care (that much)...
i feel bad for the palestinians who are getting revenge at the hand of the israelis for what the Nazis have committed..
i feel bad for the germans who are labelled as savage people
i feel bad for humans' rights since something is considered taboo and not allowed to be discussed... amazing how i can make jokes about God, the Saints, all the apostles but not in this matter...
kappa
Whether you believe it or not but you just successfully finished your research regarding fact of Holocaust.
You just proved to yourself and to the rest of us that you are not interested in facts but rather doing it out of hate.
I am totally cool with that but I'd appreciate next time you do not try to pile on mounts of BS but rather give it to me straight.
Friendly advise. It is impossible to deny Holocaust because evidence of it is beyond reproach. What you might try is to question actual numbers like good bishop does. Try bidding it to measly couple of thousands and then deny Holocaust on the grounds of too smaller numbers.
Warning, this too comes at a price. You may totally destroy notion of Holocaust regardless of when it is committed, where, against whom and by whom.
how accurate is the number 6,000,000? -
8th February 2009
