History of the palestinian-israeli conflict

[Republican]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

I cannot understand the purpose of you making this quote. Which part of what is said above is incorrect and why?

Refer to my above post,
or you can go and buy the book and read it,

prove me wrong.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Republican

Refer to my above post,
or you can go and buy the book and read it,

prove me wrong.

So, you cannot refute what was said? Do not worry, you are not alone.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Republican

Refer to my above post,
or you can go and buy the book and read it,

prove me wrong.

I Congratulate you on being able to read such a book, Although we all knew what was in the book without reading it. Reminds me of that Loser Alan Dershowitz that had www .sonyimages .com as a source in his book...How Academic.

As for "MoreIsraeli-ThanIsraelis" He only needs one picture of a muslim holding "God Bless Hitler" or "God Bless Satan" to say that we are Satan worshippers, I love this prejudice, make a judgement on the entire african american race by just talking to two of 'em or make a judgement on all women based on one lady you met the other day....very academic very scientific very informative....

[Republican]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

So, you cannot refute what was said? Do not worry, you are not alone.

Wow, what a deep and analytical answer you got there!

I will refute or accept, when something exists...

no need to deny something that didn't happen,
as I said, read the book, and try finding a source for his pogroms claims if you can.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

As for "MoreIsraeli-ThanIsraelis" He only needs one picture of a muslim holding "God Bless Hitler" or "God Bless Satan" to say that we are Satan worshippers, I love this prejudice, make a judgement on the entire african american race by just talking to two of 'em or make a judgement on all women based on one lady you met the other day....very academic very scientific very informative....

First, it is more than just one picture.

Second, one picture is enough for me and especially when you do not even bother condemning it.

Third, I do not care what you worship. If you believe it to be god or satan is non of my business. We are not discussing your worshiping ideas and practices here. We are discussing your falsehoods similar to entire post I am replying to.

Forth, what Blacks got to do with our conversation? Are you getting desperate? All I see in the picture are couple of Semites who could not possibly be anti-Selves, right?

Now, enough of this off-topic stuff.

I had proven to all of you that contrary to what you state, Jews were persecuted by Arabs/Muslims long before idea of Zionism materialized.

None of you bothered to refute my claims. Well, aside from your usual spinning and replying off-topic.

I am offering to you another chance to do so.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

First, it is more than just one picture.

Second, one picture is enough for me and especially when you do not even bother condemning it.

Third, I do not care what you worship. If you believe it to be god or satan is non of my business. We are not discussing your worshiping ideas and practices here. We are discussing your falsehoods similar to entire post I am replying to.

Forth, what Blacks got to do with our conversation? Are you getting desperate? All I see in the picture are couple of Semites who could not possibly be anti-Selves, right?

Now, enough of this off-topic stuff.

I had proven to all of you that contrary to what you state, Jews were persecuted by Arabs/Muslims long before idea of Zionism materialized.

None of you bothered to refute my claims. Well, aside from your usual spinning and replying off-topic.

I am offering to you another chance to do so.

Well a quick reply without a research would be that the romans massacrered more jews than almost anyone else, they destroyed all of jerusalem at one point, So How does this Translate into Frensh and Russian and English and German Jews Fleeing to Palestine under the british mandate and Ethnically cleansing the people of Palestine Who were a Majoraty of Muslims and Christians while earasing around 600 villages off the map. Then When the poeple of Palestine Attack the Palestinian Jews in some areas in the 1930s or 20s after they discover that those jews are conspiring to take over the Country and jerusalem, That Is Considered an Inexusable agression?. Afteall we see that you guys are Invading Jerusalem and are kicking them out which means that they had a pretty good reason to attack you in several occasions.

Secondly it is written in your most famous documents that the Jewsish tribes went out of Egypt into the land of Canaan then massacred around 32 kings (Tribal leaders) in one day if I recall correctly, Is this not Occupation? When 12 tribes gather to destroy 32 tribes one at the time then take over thier lands?

Here is were the Violence Starts:

"But 90 years ago, on Nov. 2, 1917, something happened that would create a conflict that would run like a tributary of blood through the century.
In London, a letter was written. It was short. Its author was the British foreign secretary, Lord Arthur Balfour. Its recipient was Lord Rothschild, a prominent British Jew. The content was explosive.
The British government, it said, "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object."
At that time, Jews were no more than eight per cent of the population of Palestine. Zionists were overjoyed. The small movement launched in its modern form by Theodor Herzl had only taken root 20 years earlier."

CBC News: Analysis & Viewpoint: Don Murray

[TripolySunni]

Found The Historcal records and extracted the relevant spots:

2nd millennium BC :
Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200000.

14th century BC :
Egyptian power began to weaken, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock.

1230 BC :
Joshua conquered parts of Palestine. The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.

1125 BC :
The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult . Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled the Canaanite town of Jerusalem.

1050 BC :
Philistines with there superior in military organization and using iron weapons, they severely defeated the Israelites about 1050 BC .

1000 BC :
David, Israel's great king, finally defeated the Philistines, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites . The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem.

922 BC :
Under David's son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity , but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south .

722-721 BC :
When nearby empires resumed their expansion, the divided Israelites could no longer maintain their independence . Israel fell to Assyria.
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1897:
Tthe first Zionist Congress held Basle, Switzerland, issued the Basle program on the colonization of Palestine.

1904:
The Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.

1906:
The Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be Palestine.

1914:
With the outbreak of World War I, Britain promised the independence of Arab lands under Ottoman rule, including Palestine, in return for Arab support against Turkey which had entered the war on the side of Germany.

1916:
Britain and France signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France, Jordan and Iraq to Britain and Palestine was to be internationalized.

1917:
The British government issued the Balfour Declaration on November 2, in the form of a letter to a British Zionist leader from the foreign secretary Arthur J. Balfour prmissing him the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.

1917-1918:
Aided by the Arabs, the British captured Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British had promised them, in correspondence with Shareef Husein ibn Ali of Mecca, the independence of their countries after the war. Britain, however, also made other, conflicting commitments in the secret Sykes-Picot agreement with France and Russia (1916), it promised to divide and rule the region with its allies. In a third agreement, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain promised the Jews a Jewish "national home" in Palestine .

1918:
After WW I ended, Jews began to migrate to Palestine, which was set a side as a British mandate with the approval of the League of Nations in 1922. Large-scale Jewish settlement and extensive Zionist agricultural and industrial enterprises in Palestine began during the British mandatory period, which lasted until 1948.

1919:
The Palestinians convened their first National Conference and expressed their opposition to the Balfour Declaration.

1920:
The San Remo Conference granted Britain a mandate over Palestine. and two years later Palestine was effectively under British administration. Sir Herbert Samuel, a declared Zionist, was sent as Britain's first High Commissioner to Palestine.

1922:
The Council of the League of Nations issued a Mandate for Palestine.

1929:
Large-scale attacks on Jews by Arabs rocked Jerusalem. Palestinians killed 133 Jews and suffered 116 deaths. Sparked by a dispute over use of the Western Wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque ( this site is sacred to Muslims, but Jews claimed it is the remaining of jews temple all studies shows clearly that the wall is from the Islamic ages and it is part of al-Aqsa Mosque). But the roots of the conflict lay deeper in Arab fears of the Zionist movement which aimed to make at least part of British-administered Palestine a Jewish state.

1936:
The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration.

1937:
Peel Commission, headed by Lord Robert Peel, issued a report. Basically, the commission concluded, the mandate in Palestine was unworkable There was no hope of any cooperative national entity there that included both Arabs and Jews. The commission went on to recommend the partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a neutral sacred-site state to be administered by Britain.

1939:
The British government published a White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within ten years. This was rejected by the Zionists, who then organized terrorist groups and launched a bloody campaign against the British and the Palestinians.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

TripolySunni,

Is it something I do not understand or you?

What Jewish exodus from Egypt and subsequent conquest of Canaan, or Assyrians, or Babylonians, or Romans, or any event related to since beginning of Zionist movement in the end of 19th century to this day have to do with relationship between Arabs/Muslims and Jews prior advent of Zionism?

Are you trying to deviate from topic again?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

TripolySunni,

Is it something I do not understand or you?

What Jewish exodus from Egypt and subsequent conquest of Canaan, or Assyrians, or Babylonians, or Romans, or any event related to since beginning of Zionist movement in the end of 19th century to this day have to do with relationship between Arabs/Muslims and Jews prior advent of Zionism?

Are you trying to deviate from topic again?

Isn't the Topic, the History of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? I Put forth Some Extracts And I said that the Main Violence was to start from 1917 (When the letter was sent)when the Palestinian Arabs Started hearing rumors of certain conspiracies and threats to occupy thier lands and Jerusalem specially since big numbers of Europeans were being shipped to the region.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Isn't the Topic, the History of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? I Put forth Some Extracts And I said that the Main Violence was to start from 1917 (When the letter was sent)when the Palestinian Arabs Started hearing rumors of certain conspiracies and threats to occupy thier lands and Jerusalem specially since big numbers of Europeans were being shipped to the region.

This is too abstract to discuss. It represents everything and says nothing at the same time. It consists of great many different topics, which I am willing to discuss in turn. If you wish to be thorough feel free to create list of subjects you wish to discuss and we will.

In the mean time I suggest we complete discussion of the subject we already started. That is popular myth that Jews and Arabs lived in peace and harmony until Jews decided to embrace Zionism. Reality actually is anything but peaceful and harmonious.