Global Ethics

[Frisbeetarian]

Like it or not, war is part of who and what we are. We conquer, destroy, build, enhance, downgrade, fortify, crumble because of war and its outcomes. The greatest versus of history precipitated war. The roman empire built its grandeur on it, and was deemed the civilized beacon of the world. Because of the wars it engaged it managed to spread Greek principals on justice, philosphy, authority to the rest of the world, and because of this, it shined as a civilized light in the annals of history. So did all of western europe. For without colonization, without slavery, without cheap labor, how could the industrial revolution kick start? Without the oppression of the peasants and the thievery of the church and the subterfuged occupation of German descendant monarchs, how would the french revolution be? We build our advancement on the things that hurt us, to make things better. Without tyranny, the great wheel of creativity and need would never turn. We would be stuck, decaying. A wise philosopher said that the end of history was with the turn of the french revolution, i digress and say that history will end when wars cease.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Like it or not, war is part of who and what we are. We conquer, destroy, build, enhance, downgrade, fortify, crumble because of war and its outcomes. The greatest versus of history precipitated war. The roman empire built its grandeur on it, and was deemed the civilized beacon of the world. Because of the wars it engaged it managed to spread Greek principals on justice, philosphy, authority to the rest of the world, and because of this, it shined as a civilized light in the annals of history. So did all of western europe. For without colonization, without slavery, without cheap labor, how could the industrial revolution kick start? Without the oppression of the peasants and the thievery of the church and the subterfuged occupation of German descendant monarchs, how would the french revolution be? We build our advancement on the things that hurt us, to make things better. Without tyranny, the great wheel of creativity and need would never turn. We would be stuck, decaying. A wise philosopher said that the end of history was with the turn of the french revolution, i digress and say that history will end when wars cease.

War was the language in the past yes, and there are still wars ongoing in various places of the world...but look at those too who renounce war and violence. How is that in Europe (EU) for 60 years now war is taken off from state affairs. Former aggressors became economic and political allies. Differences are being resolved through dialogue and diplomacy.

Why do you think we can't change?? How can you believe in development if you don't believe in the change of minds, actually (r)evolution of minds. As renouncing war is just going forward. I hope you agree on that.

Think about that, what does Lebanon need? Another destructive war, that will make the country advance? OR it would need maybe educated new young leaders who believe in tolerance and non-violence and who seek discussion rather than carry arms...

War has never advanced humanity, yes it served the ineterst of emperors, kings, dictators...they built empires on the blood of other people...but all this brought only unjustice and sufferrings.

On the other hand what brought development to humanity? It was rather science, literature and other arts....and you know in times of war the muse are silent.

[FBM]

yeah isnt globalization doing all that?!?!

[Salome]

Originally Posted by FBM

yeah isnt globalization doing all that?!?!

Actually no...for example has corruption disappeared because of globalization? NO in some cases on the contrary...

and the mentioned values may sound basic or obvious, it is in fact not something built in the various cultures, especially not taught directly in education systems

For ex. I had only business ethics class at the uni, and that was also concentrating 99% on how the multis exploit the developing countries

[FBM]

Originally Posted by Salome

Actually no...for example has corruption disappeared because of globalization? NO in some cases on the contrary...

and the mentioned values may sound basic or obvious, it is in fact not something built in the various cultures, especially not taught directly in education systems

For ex. I had only business ethics class at the uni, and that was also concentrating 99% on how the multis exploit the developing countries

Corruption won't disappear with globalization cause its everywhere and globalization wants it ! But you should also not forget the slight good that has come with globalization...

[Salome]

Originally Posted by FBM

Corruption won't disappear with globalization cause its everywhere and globalization wants it ! But you should also not forget the slight good that has come with globalization...

Sure, am all with globalization:D And one of its great benefit is the global communication network...which we can also use to build global ethics:)

[FBM]

Originally Posted by Salome

Sure, am all with globalization:D And one of its great benefit is the global communication network...which we can also use to build global ethics:)

Global ethics exsit... The UN has tons of laws/agreements/anything of that sort on "ethics"... And the international community has several others... There's the geneva convention and human rights council and all those....

[Salome]

Originally Posted by FBM

Global ethics exsit... The UN has tons of laws/agreements/anything of that sort on "ethics"... And the international community has several others... There's the geneva convention and human rights council and all those....

These are institutions and organisations you mention which is another level than what I am talking about. I meant rather on individual level and with the help of the education system to introduce and plant the idea of global ethics.
We dont need anothe UN convention we have enough, it is not reaching the level of individuals...also because many times the governments who ought to implement them dont really care.

So how about that value: "do not lie". Could that stand with all cultures?

[Shah Massoud]

Originally Posted by Salome

These are institutions and organisations you mention which is another level than what I am talking about. I meant rather on individual level and with the help of the education system to introduce and plant the idea of global ethics.
We dont need anothe UN convention we have enough, it is not reaching the level of individuals...also because many times the governments who ought to implement them dont really care.

So how about that value: "do not lie". Could that stand with all cultures?

u don't wana include the lawyers and inssurance brokers? .......this won't fit also

I think global ethics is just a myth.....there will always be a greedy person somewhere wiling to kidnap a baby and sell it for few hundred bucks.....

I guess the only common notion all manking have in commun is : try to cheat death as many times as you can before it finally reaches you.....
yes , the only value bounding humanity is the most basic instinct of fear of death.....i guess this is related to Darwin 101

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Shah Massoud

u don't wana include the lawyers and inssurance brokers? .......this won't fit also

I think global ethics is just a myth.....there will always be a greedy person somewhere wiling to kidnap a baby and sell it for few hundred bucks.....

I guess the only common notion all manking have in commun is : try to cheat death as many times as you can before it finally reaches you.....
yes , the only value bounding humanity is the most basic instinct of fear of death.....i guess this is related to Darwin 101

Having global ethics wouldn't guarantee that we eliminate criminals, but we could widespread more an ethical behaviour.