Fallen soldiers in Afghanistan : who's to blame ?

[Anny]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Now here you're discussing tactics and strategies... You are also discussing errors, mistakes, accidents, etc.

By what standards are attacks against the American forces justified? They, as well as all the NATO forces are there with the support of the majority of the Afghans!

Seriously, dont belive the western media, they always find excuses to hit a country for the major reasons. They said that Ben Laden was hiding there, the US made Ben Laden and he was created to find a reason to hit Afghanistan jut because they had 98% of the opium in this world.

I have two friends in the Canadian army and they tell me that some afghanies that lives in Canada works with them, when they go to Afghanistan, they keep being payed by the canadian governement and they dissapear there, they change their identity and they fight the west.

Canadians and other western soldiers go there for the ''construction of Afghanistan'' that is what they call it and they fight with afghanies. So tell me how much construction there when you are killing all kind of civilians.

So seriously, RIP all the souls who did die there but on the other side, I blame them to enroll in the army of the country since they know very well that they will always be the attacker of other civilians.


Where do you see Afghanistan or Irak attacking Canada or the US these days? if you are gonna mention 911, I have never bilieved the George Bush of it, he went on Tv saying that HA was part of al-qaida one day, so seriously, are you gonna still bilieve there version of why they attack Irak, Afghanistan and what next, Syria or Lebanon?

[Frisbeetarian]

Originally Posted by dodzi

I said so... I'm the source!

Ya3neh it gets really pretty in here sometimes! I can understand that Saddam had legitimacy, but are you going to start defending Al Qaeda and the Taliban??

Shame...

So no input or sources ey. Predictable.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Now here you're discussing tactics and strategies... You are also discussing errors, mistakes, accidents, etc.

By what standards are attacks against the American forces justified? They, as well as all the NATO forces are there with the support of the majority of the Afghans!

So ur Saying that the Taliban who are supported by every muslim in North Africa and Every Muslim in America and every Muslim in the MiddleEast and Every Muslim in India (Check Islam Channel which is owened by Zakir Naik) and every Muslim on this Forum and every Pakistani, And Who Own 70% of the Afghanistan today (they beat America and retook the lands) and That Number in Hundreds of Thousands of Afghans Are not supported In Afghanistan Instead the Americans who Bomb Mosques Constantly 24/7 and Who Kill civillians Constantly 24/7 These Americans are Supported by the Extremist Islamic people of Afghanistan.

Is that Logical?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

So ur Saying that the Taliban who are supported by every muslim in North Africa and Every Muslim in America and every Muslim in the MiddleEast and Every Muslim in India (Check Islam Channel which is owened by Zakir Naik) and every Muslim on this Forum and every Pakistani, And Who Own 70% of the Afghanistan today (they beat America and retook the lands) and That Number in Hundreds of Thousands of Afghans Are not supported In Afghanistan Instead the Americans who Bomb Mosques Constantly 24/7 and Who Kill civillians Constantly 24/7 These Americans are Supported by the Extremist Islamic people of Afghanistan.

Is that Logical?

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

So no input or sources ey. Predictable.

No input? Taliban supported by all Muslims AND Afghans?

Guys, I showed you two polls...

Originally Posted by dodzi

You can say that with absolute certainty, thanks to the hundreds of polls you consulted (or perhaps made yourself) right?

No one's blaming the Afghans, we, and the Afghans are blaming the Taliban!

I'd like you to check opinion polls done on the Afghan population!

You can check the different polls:

- 72% of Afghans are against the Taliban, with 18% swing voters (18% unsure)
- 92% of Afghans are somewhat/strongly unfavorable towards the Taliban
- 78% of Afghans find attacks against US military forces as unjustified
- 97% find them unjustified against government officials or police

If you want another opinion, check this other survey.

You wanna say "I don't believe polls", "these polls are biased", "the Taliban represent the majority of Afghans", "LFers represent the majority of Lebanese", "Labneh is black", "Shawarma is a vegetarian meal"... Be that way!

But I gave you facts supported by surveys, while you just gave me BS arguments without any base to support them!

Just show me one proof that the Taliban are supported by the majority of Afghans, then we can discuss the FACTS I presented to you!

[Anny]

polls and surveys, who did those? It says on the source that they are from the US. Common, do you really believe that, I can create a survey and put the numbers I want in it and tell you that those surveys are done in Afghanistan by the Afghan governement, while in the elections it showes exactly the contradiction.

Look at Hammas, they won the last elections, and look what the US said about them, that they are bunch of terrorist, common do you still believe every single thing the West say.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Anny

polls and surveys, who did those? It says on the source that they are from the US. Common, do you really believe that, I can create a survey and put the numbers I want in it and tell you that those surveys are done in Afghanistan by the Afghan governement, while in the elections it showes exactly the contradiction.

Look at Hammas, they won the last elections, and look what the US said about them, that they are bunch of terrorist, common do you still believe every single thing the West say.

Courtesy of Charney Research and ABC News Poll...The second one is done by The Asia Foundation! They are private survey institutions

Don't believe them... I don't care... But I at least have the goodwill to make a constructive discussion, while you guys keep repeating the same baseless arguments!

PS: no poll has ever shown that Hamas didn't represent the Palestinians! In fact, the only poll I know where the democratic elections that took place!

[Anny]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Courtesy of Charney Research and ABC News Poll... They are private survey institutions

Don't believe them... I don't care... But I at least have the goodwill to make a constructive discussion, while you guys keep repeating the same baseless arguments!

PS: no poll has ever shown that Hamas didn't represent the Palestinians! In fact, the only poll I know where the democratic elections that took place!

ABC is so much American. It is as much similar to CNN.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Anny

ABC is so much American. It is as much similar to CNN.

Also the Asia Foundation is based in the US!!!

Ya3neh seriously, you wouldn't believe any polls unless they were done by the Taliban themselves! They'll tell you the Americans are more popular, and you'll accuse them of being American puppets!

[Anny]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Also the Asia Foundation is based in the US!!!

Ya3neh seriously, you wouldn't believe any polls unless they were done by the Taliban themselves! They'll tell you the Americans are more popular, and you'll accuse them of being American puppets!

Those polls are done by those countries who are conquering Afghanistan and they are the one who are killing Afganistanies, so I do not belive any c r a p they say

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Anny

Who to blame is the thieves of a natural ressource called Opium.

Seriously, why do the West is putting her nose in governements that has another kind of life than them. Afghanies have the right to live the way they want to live and enjoying their ressources.

This war is the same as the one in Irak, Irak has petrol and Afghanistan has opium, canada has water, one day you will see something like that as well with the US or the other country that has the ultimate power in the futur, maybe China then...

This war had nothing to do with Iraq, Taliban were given an ultimatum to handover Binladin, they didn't, they were dealt with. Nobody would bother them if they weren't harboring training camps that were used to plan 9/11.
Your right to live in freedom and peace ends when you start stripping others of that same right.

Originally Posted by Xguy

Your ignorance is appaling, Taliban are a proxy of the CIA, they are their heroin planters, invasion of Afghanistan is a drug deal went bad, go educate yourself Taliban has nothing to do with 9/11.
it is amazing how easy for you to beleive that such barabric uneducated people were able to execute the most sophisticated attack in history, and you are telling me to think?

Taliban has nothing to do with 9/11 right? let me guess Binladin was operating out of Geneva right?