Fallen soldiers in Afghanistan : who's to blame ?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by moughtarib

Yes in the legal sense they were.

I'll spare your ego and invite you to seperate between the 'legal' grounds and the 'political/human/our view of what is right and better' grounds when discussion such issues.

Thats all I have on the subject.

Chou jeib ego bel ossa?

I'm just showing you that you can't compare every conflict with the other!

In the case of Afghanistan, we can compare it more to Germany under US occupation than France under Nazi occupation!

Especially if you want to go on the political/human view than the legal view... On the legal view also, the Afghan war was legal! And on the human/political view it is completely legitimate!

[TripolySunni]

The Terrorist Western Armies are to Blame, Those who Bombed a Mosque in Afghanistan just a few days ago, The Taliban Are the Official Government and they are backed by all Afghans, the Taliban Had nothing to do with 9/11 and There was absolutly no Afghan on those PLanes who hit the towers, Why should An entire country be invaded and destroyed? is it because the Taliban have Stopped all the Heroin Production Farms? Absolutly everyone is to Blame in this mess except the Afghans WHO ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!!

I'm Sure That America Boosting Heroin Production by 700% has nothing to do with the Invasion and I'am Sure that The World Today Is a Much Much More Safer Place With all those Afghans being Radicalized as well as thier Neighbors who are having a Border Problem and Are also getting Angrier by the Moment

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

The Terrorist Western Armies are to Blame, Those who Bombed a Mosque in Afghanistan just a few days ago, The Taliban Are the Official Government and they are backed by all Afghans, the Taliban Had nothing to do with 9/11 and There was absolutly no Afghan on those PLanes who hit the towers, Why should An entire country be invaded and destroyed? is it because the Taliban have Stopped all the Heroin Production Farms? Absolutly everyone is to Blame in this mess except the Afghans WHO ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!!

You can say that with absolute certainty, thanks to the hundreds of polls you consulted (or perhaps made yourself) right?

No one's blaming the Afghans, we, and the Afghans are blaming the Taliban!

I'd like you to check opinion polls done on the Afghan population!

You can check the different polls:

- 72% of Afghans are against the Taliban, with 18% swing voters (18% unsure)
- 92% of Afghans are somewhat/strongly unfavorable towards the Taliban
- 78% of Afghans find attacks against US military forces as unjustified
- 97% find them unjustified against government officials or police

If you want another opinion, check this other survey.

[Anny]

Who to blame is the thieves of a natural ressource called Opium.

Seriously, why do the West is putting her nose in governements that has another kind of life than them. Afghanies have the right to live the way they want to live and enjoying their ressources.

This war is the same as the one in Irak, Irak has petrol and Afghanistan has opium, canada has water, one day you will see something like that as well with the US or the other country that has the ultimate power in the futur, maybe China then...

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by dodzi

You can say that with absolute certainty, thanks to the hundreds of polls you consulted (or perhaps made yourself) right?

No one's blaming the Afghans, we, and the Afghans are blaming the Taliban!

I'd like you to check opinion polls done on the Afghan population!

You can check the different polls:

- 72% of Afghans are against the Taliban, with 18% swing voters (18% unsure)
- 92% of Afghans are somewhat/strongly unfavorable towards the Taliban
- 78% of Afghans find attacks against US military forces as unjustified
- 97% find them unjustified against government officials or police

And you beleive That? Havn't They used the Same exact Strategy everywhere? In Palestine they Show Footages of ppl that Hate HAMAS an Want them to Stop resisting and In Iraq they Were showing People Welcoming Bush with Flowers ect.ect.ect... Honestly do you beleive that? Why don't you go to some Afghan or Pakistani Forum and Ask there?

BTW dodzi I'm living in Dubai and I know Literally tens of Afghans and Pakiz and Guess what? they all happen to support The Resistance and They All Hate America and Russia's Guts (and any communists also)

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

And you beleive That? Havn't They used the Same exact Strategy everywhere? In Palestine they Show Footages of ppl that Hate HAMAS an Want them to Stop resisting and In Iraq they Were showing People Welcoming Bush with Flowers ect.ect.ect... Honestly do you beleive that? Why don't you go to some Afghan or Pakistani Forum and Ask there?

BTW dodzi I'm living in Dubai and I know Literally tens of Afghans and Pakiz and Guess what? they all happen to support The Resistance and They All Hate America and Russia's Guts (and any communists also)

Listen, I showed you 2 opinion polls, maybe if you want to contradict mine, please find an opinion poll that shows the contrary!

So you know a couple of Afghans... Doesn't mean you know all of them!

Up until 2005, I knew more LFers than FPMers in Lebanon. Yet in 2005, FPM not only won the elections, but they got 70% of the votes!

Same thing in Palestine! Elections have taken place and Hamas won!

In Afghanistan, the majority prefer the government to the Taliban!

The Taliban installed a regime of terror (not international, but local), and the Afghans hate them for that! In fact, the Taliban live hidden! They don't live with the population! You know why? Because the population hate them and are afraid of them!

Bottom line is: Taliban are bad, hated and feared. Current government is legitimate. Afghans prefer NATO forces to Taliban!

Find me another poll (I showed you two!), then we can discuss these FACTS!

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Listen, I showed you 2 opinion polls, maybe if you want to contradict mine, please find an opinion poll that shows the contrary!

So you know a couple of Afghans... Doesn't mean you know all of them!

Up until 2005, I knew more LFers than FPMers in Lebanon. Yet in 2005, FPM not only won the elections, but they got 70% of the votes!

Same thing in Palestine! Elections have taken place and Hamas won!

In Afghanistan, the majority prefer the government to the Taliban!

The Taliban installed a regime of terror (not international, but local), and the Afghans hate them for that! In fact, the Taliban live hidden! They don't live with the population! You know why? Because the population hate them and are afraid of them!

Bottom line is: Taliban are bad, hated and feared. Current government is legitimate. Afghans prefer NATO forces to Taliban!

Find me another poll (I showed you two!), then we can discuss these FACTS!

Im Not Asking who they prefer we are talking about if it's Morally Justified to Attack the American occuping Forces in Afghanistan and If what those occuping Forces who Claim to be fighting the Taliban ARE REALLY doing so or they're just bombing Random people which is clearly the case, I want to know when you bomb an Entire village How do you know if you Hit the Taliban or Not? do they have a Taliban Tattoo on thier Foreheads?

When did Taliban Attack The Canadians? Tell me the Name of an Afghan who Hit the twin Towers.

[Xguy]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

7aj tekhlot 3ebbes bi ramadan, read my post well, they can choose the democracy they want and they had the choice to do it before they were invaded.
Yes the war was to protect people, if 9/11 had not happened, Taliban who were representing Afghanistan back then would still be ruling Afghanistan, so the war happened not to spread democracy but to stop Taliban from spreading international terrorism.
You wake up and stop being anti American on every occasion that presents itself, you sometimes have to think.

Your ignorance is appaling, Taliban are a proxy of the CIA, they are their heroin planters, invasion of Afghanistan is a drug deal went bad, go educate yourself Taliban has nothing to do with 9/11.
it is amazing how easy for you to beleive that such barabric uneducated people were able to execute the most sophisticated attack in history, and you are telling me to think?

[TripolySunni]

When Faced with the Problem of Drugs The Taliban Gave the Farmers two Choices, They gave them a set amount of time to et rid of the Drugs and Start planting anything else so they get to keep thier land but if they keep the Drugs then Taliban will Burn the Feilds and Strip the Person of His Lands That is the Whole deal and during that time the Production of that type of Drug went down to the lowest point possible whereas today it Increased to an exremly high amount probably the highest ever.

As for those Talking about Installing Democracy there Well Someone Please tell the US that they Skipped over Saudi which is the Worst Anti-Democratic Country on the Face of the earth.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Im Not Asking who they prefer we are talking about if it's Morally Justified to Attack the American occuping Forces in Afghanistan and If what those occuping Forces who Claim to be fighting the Taliban ARE REALLY doing so or they're just bombing Random people which is clearly the case, I want to know when you bomb an Entire village How do you know if you Hit the Taliban or Not? do they have a Taliban Tattoo on thier Foreheads?

When did Taliban Attack The Canadians? Tell me the Name of an Afghan who Hit the twin Towers.

Now here you're discussing tactics and strategies... You are also discussing errors, mistakes, accidents, etc.

By what standards are attacks against the American forces justified? They, as well as all the NATO forces are there with the support of the majority of the Afghans!