An eye for an eye.

[Rainywinter]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Israeli mate, nothing deters from crime but punishment. Not caring for the consequences is not as bad as not caring for the victim you brutally hurt. I'm for slashing, bashing, butchering, hanging, you name it... for whoever initiates harm on another human. To me, those who are against such laws are the ones who are capable of commiting similar crimes. The laws are there to stay for all time. Prostitution is outdated, it started with apes and now they've revived it, so why should the laws be considered 'out of fashion'?

So many contradictions in one post....
"Not caring for the consequences is not as bad as not caring for the victim you brutally hurt." - You can't compare here whats worse because these two don't fall under the same criteria (assuming you don't take a general one like "caring" and say "yes I can!". Both are wrong and bad. I raised the "not caring for consequences" or "not being in a state of mind where he logically derives such consequences before the did" to bring up the point many people who commit crimes out of rage do not necessarily think of the consequence at the time of the act.

I'm not against laws of punishment, but I'm against inhuman ways of punishment. To conclude I'm capable of such because I don't think it's right to emit the same inhuman torture on another human? Your reason fails here, as if anything - you're the one capable of committing such - in the name of vengeance and god as a poor excuse. After all, with your logic, someone will have to do it, again, no? (to execute the punishment)
I don't believe anybody deserves to be horribly and permanently mutilated by throwing acid onto their eyes. It's an immoral and inhuman thing to do. Just because that person did it, does not make it right to practice as a punishment.
We as human beings ought to have some certain moral codes we should live by. We're not monsters nor animals, and if someone strays we should not treat them with barbarism and brutality that's reserved to mid ages. (but obviously, still practiced in many countries. Heard of that 13 years old girl in Pakistan - IIRC - who reported of being raped by two adult men, and as a result the court sentenced her for adultery outside marriage to be stoned to death in front of 3000 men. they buried her in the sand so only her head shown and stoned her to death, digging her back up and back down 3 times to make sure she was dead before it was over)

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Rainywinter

So many contradictions in one post....
"Not caring for the consequences is not as bad as not caring for the victim you brutally hurt." - You can't compare here whats worse because these two don't fall under the same criteria (assuming you don't take a general one like "caring" and say "yes I can!". Both are wrong and bad. I raised the "not caring for consequences" or "not being in a state of mind where he logically derives such consequences before the did" to bring up the point many people who commit crimes out of rage do not necessarily think of the consequence at the time of the act.

Rage is not an excuse. There is no excuse for crime unless there is some mental disorder. If when you get angry you're gonna go around throwing acid on people's faces and blinding them, then you shouldn't exist among humans.

I'm not against laws of punishment, but I'm against inhuman ways of punishment. To conclude I'm capable of such because I don't think it's right to emit the same inhuman torture on another human? Your reason fails here, as if anything - you're the one capable of committing such - in the name of vengeance and god as a poor excuse. After all, with your logic, someone will have to do it, again, no? (to execute the punishment)
I don't believe anybody deserves to be horribly and permanently mutilated by throwing acid onto their eyes. It's an immoral and inhuman thing to do. Just because that person did it, does not make it right to practice as a punishment.

Says who? Punishment is a necessity. The less punishment in countries, the more crimes. It's not vengeance; it's called "Justice".

We as human beings ought to have some certain moral codes we should live by. We're not monsters nor animals, and if someone strays we should not treat them with barbarism and brutality that's reserved to mid ages. (but obviously, still practiced in many countries.

Punishment for crime is the epitome of civilization, other than that you're encouraging crime.

Heard of that 13 years old girl in Pakistan - IIRC - who reported of being raped by two adult men, and as a result the court sentenced her for adultery outside marriage to be stoned to death in front of 3000 men. they buried her in the sand so only her head shown and stoned her to death, digging her back up and back down 3 times to make sure she was dead before it was over)

Where did you hear that? And what does that have to do with justice and punishment for criminals? You're giving me a case where a victim is punished for a mans crime against her?

On another note, a man with an Israeli flag talking about justice is laughable lol.

[zoomzoom]

We should not encourage such an action if we believe in a civil society where religion has no role in it. A court should have decided his faith based on civil judicial system. This punishment is ridiculs and should be condemned.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

We should not encourage such an action if we believe in a civil society where religion has no role in it. A court should have decided his faith based on civil judicial system. This punishment is ridiculs and should be condemned.

We don't believe in a civil society that grants gay rights for example. The only 'rules' Iran would follow are the just ones where a criminal gets a taste of his own medicine. Other than that, you're going to end up with a society as civil as 'you can't walk down the street at night'.

[Rainywinter]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Rage is not an excuse. There is no excuse for crime unless there is some mental disorder. If when you get angry you're gonna go around throwing acid on people's faces and blinding them, then you shouldn't exist among humans.

You know, I'm really bewildered why do you choose to refer to things I never actually wrote. Have I said rage is an excuse?
No, but to give an example of a state of mind in which the criminal would not necessarily be deterred from punishment.
I do not think rage is an excuse to commit a crime. (unless, of course, as you said, that person was mentally incapable\ insane or so much, but that's extremely rare)
I will appreciate it if you won't refer to things I never wrote. Either that, or try to improve your reading skills. At least read what I write twice, so we can have a real discussion here.

Says who? Punishment is a necessity. The less punishment in countries, the more crimes. It's not vengeance; it's called "Justice".

Again, you're missing the point entirely.
I never said punishment is not necessary. Stop spinning things around please.
I believe a severe punishment is necessary in such severe crimes. It does not mean the punishment should be barbaric and inhuman. Doing justice is to make him "pay" for what he has done - but again, not necessarily in an uncivil and inhuman punishment.

Punishment for crime is the epitome of civilization, other than that you're encouraging crime.

Yet again, referring to things I never argued against. Read above.

Where did you hear that? And what does that have to do with justice and punishment for criminals? You're giving me a case where a victim is punished for a mans crime against her?

Point being - the girl complained about the men. Since she also "confessed" about the sex part, the Islamic militants found her guilty of out of marriage adultery, and the described punishment took place.
Relevance, just as I wrote in my previous point, as you once again failed to see, was to point out how sad that is that inhuman and unproportional punishments that should be long belong to history, still take place in the world.
Oh yes, my apologies, it was actually in Somalia. Read Here.

On another note, a man with an Israeli flag talking about justice is laughable lol.

This racist sentence is laughable on it's own, and it's also a derivative of it's author. Figure it out on your own.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

We don't believe in a civil society that grants gay rights for example. The only 'rules' Iran would follow are the just ones where a criminal gets a taste of his own medicine. Other than that, you're going to end up with a society as civil as 'you can't walk down the street at night'.

What if later it is found that this found guilty person is an innocent one. How are you going to return his sight if you condemn him like that? Sometimes justice can not be found so easily. Many times those who found guilty where found innocent later on. How are you going to explain this "just" ruling if it is found out later that this "criminal" is not?