An eye for an eye.

[Rainywinter]

I find it very disturbing that some people actually believe that mutilating a person by throwing acid onto his eyes to blind him in the excuse of retribution is rightful or "makes sense".
Someone commits a horrible torturous crime and mutilates another human being, so you should do the same to him?
Wouldn't it be just as barbaric and immoral?

Dalzi, open your eyes please. There are enough ways to deter one from committing crimes than to refer to barbaric and inhuman punishments with wrongful excuses taken from ancient history.
Also take in mind, that sometimes people who commit crimes don't really care for the consequence at that particular moment, or don't grasp the consequences. (if all people thought straight all the time, considering consequences all the time, and how it would affect their and the other person's lives, such things would probably not happen)

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Icebolt

All I am saying is that these scholars can issue a fatwa changing the current interpretation of this verse from being applied litterally to a moral boundary (like punishment or retribution in the afterlife). After all, these scholars are officialliy assigned to be the interpreters of islamic laws, no?

True, they are assigned to help us interpret these laws but the problem for them would be that an eye for an eye was practised during the prophet's time so it would be impossible for them to change something that is proven to have occured.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by zodiac

«سمعتم أنه قيل العين بالعين والسن بالسن. أما أنا فأقول لكم لا تقاوموا الشرير، بل من لطمك على خدك الأيمن فقدم له الآخر».

Our Lord Jesus Christ...

You lord Jesus christ was not a pacifist, go read about him and some of the battles he fought with people.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Rainywinter

I find it very disturbing that some people actually believe that mutilating a person by throwing acid onto his eyes to blind him in the excuse of retribution is rightful or "makes sense".
Someone commits a horrible torturous crime and mutilates another human being, so you should do the same to him?
Wouldn't it be just as barbaric and immoral?

Dalzi, open your eyes please. There are enough ways to deter one from committing crimes than to refer to barbaric and inhuman punishments with wrongful excuses taken from ancient history.
Also take in mind, that sometimes people who commit crimes don't really care for the consequence at that particular moment, or don't grasp the consequences. (if all people thought straight all the time, considering consequences all the time, and how it would affect their and the other person's lives, such things would probably not happen)

Having the knowledge that your criminal actions could be punished in such a harsh way would make you think twice even during anger and rage.

[Aoun4lebanon]

Originally Posted by zodiac

«سمعتم أنه قيل العين بالعين والسن بالسن. أما أنا فأقول لكم لا تقاوموا الشرير، بل من لطمك على خدك الأيمن فقدم له الآخر».

Our Lord Jesus Christ...

quoting Jesus Christ is one thing but being a hypocrite is another thing. Its mind bugling how a militia like kataib thinks it practices Christianity and has blood in there hand with a rich history of wars and someone having the nerve & moral to quote Jesus christ.

fyi, Christ revolted on the old rotten testament, he kicked the thieves from his temple, he shared his bread with Judas (Jew) who betrayed him to the Romans. (Maybe a lesson to be learned never to trust them).

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

You lord Jesus christ was not a pacifist, go read about him and some of the battles he fought with people.

The quoted statement seems not to be made to be taken literally, rather to encourage forgiveness. There is no sane person who will take it literally and offer his other eye to be poked or offer his other son to be killed after the first one was murdered.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by zodiac

«سمعتم أنه قيل العين بالعين والسن بالسن. أما أنا فأقول لكم لا تقاوموا الشرير، بل من لطمك على خدك الأيمن فقدم له الآخر».

Our Lord Jesus Christ...

Oh is that what the LF and Kataeb do? lol If there are any humans who hate and harm more than you do, i'd probably swallow what you just said. Hate's a sin too according to your Pope.

We don't believe in these contradictory attributes to Jesus, that's your Lord not ours. Why did he say that he comes not to bring peace but a sword at some other point? Jesus was no sook to turn his cheek for swines to slap him. Think again. To us Jesus is the great prophet of Islam, what we consider the real version. Now mind your own business as we all do. We're talking about an Islamic country which upholds the Laws of the books, and of course not about the LF and Kataeb hypocritical version of Catholicism. When we slap you make sure you're a good Catholic and turn your other cheek for another blow.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Observer

The quoted statement seems not to be made to te taken literally, rather to encourage forgiveness. There is not sane person who will take it literally and offer his other eye to be poked or offer his other son to be killed after the first one was murdered.

True, and to add to that, they are preceeded by the verses on adultery which are the total opposite to this 'literal' interpretation they give.

Originally Posted by Observer

Absolutely correct. Historically, as hard evidences suggest, when the Islamic capital punishement code was enforced, the society was a much better and safer place. As Dalzi said, if you are scared of the punishement then do not do the crime. Simple! This is why there is this punishement; A deterrence.

For those who are asking for a change in the code: You are missing a thing or two here. Aside from being a sacred law, in most cases and if the victim forgives then there won't be capital punishement even in murders.

True, the laws point out your 'rights', forgiveness is a choise you make. You can choose to punish or forgive. I'd pluck his eyes out if he blinds me.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Rainywinter

Dalzi, open your eyes please. There are enough ways to deter one from committing crimes than to refer to barbaric and inhuman punishments with wrongful excuses taken from ancient history.
Also take in mind, that sometimes people who commit crimes don't really care for the consequence at that particular moment, or don't grasp the consequences. (if all people thought straight all the time, considering consequences all the time, and how it would affect their and the other person's lives, such things would probably not happen)

Israeli mate, nothing deters from crime but punishment. Not caring for the consequences is not as bad as not caring for the victim you brutally hurt. I'm for slashing, bashing, butchering, hanging, you name it... for whoever initiates harm on another human. To me, those who are against such laws are the ones who are capable of commiting similar crimes. The laws are there to stay for all time. Prostitution is outdated, it started with apes and now they've revived it, so why should the laws be considered 'out of fashion'?

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Israeli mate, nothing deters from crime but punishment. Not caring for the consequences is not as bad as not caring for the victim you brutally hurt. I'm for slashing, bashing, butchering, hanging, you name it... for whoever initiates harm on another human. To me, those who are against such laws are the ones who are capable of commiting similar crimes. The laws are there to stay for all time. Prostitution is outdated, it started with apes and now they've revived it, so why should the laws be considered 'out of fashion'?

I did not want to waste my time on this guy. The American justice system is the biggest evidence we have that the detterence he is talking about is just a miserable failure. Because of the sheer amount of second, third and fourth time offenders California had to enact new laws to address this issue. Other states are on the way.