An eye for an eye.

[UNITED_LEBANON]

Court orders Iranian man blinded
BBC NEWS

A court in Iran has ruled that a man who blinded a woman with acid after she spurned his marriage proposals will also be blinded with acid.

The ruling was reported in Iranian newspapers on Thursday.

The punishment is legal under the Islamic Sharia code of qias or equivalence, which allows retribution for violent crimes.

The court also ordered the attacker, 27-year-old Majid Movahedi, to pay compensation to the victim.

The acid attack took place in 2004. The victim, Ameneh Bahrami, went to Spain for surgery to reconstruct her face but efforts to restore her sight failed.

The ruling was a response to her plea to the court in the Iranian capital Tehran for retribution.

"Ever since I was subject to acid being thrown on my face, I have a constant feeling of being in danger," she told the court.

Ms Bahrami also said that Movahedi had also threatened to kill her.

[Abufijli]

I like that ruling, makes total sense. Good on them.

[Icebolt]

The proper ruling would have been for him to be sentenced for jail for 10-15 years or so, and not get acid thrown at his face as retribution.

This "eye for an eye" notion is so horrid despite it being part of islamic teachings. The laws that worked a thousand years earlier are no longer valid in our present. The muslim scholars better do a gathering and renovate some of their teachings (though I guess they will face the dilemma of the Quran being a sacred book and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad being the direct words of God, beliefs which I respect). At the very least, let them issue a fatwa declaring this notion as more of a moral verse rather than to be applied to the letter.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Icebolt

The proper ruling would have been for him to be sentenced for jail for 10-15 years or so, and not get acid thrown at his face as retribution.

This "eye for an eye" notion is so horrid despite it being part of islamic teachings. The laws that worked a thousand years earlier are no longer valid in our present. The muslim scholars better do a gathering and renovate some of their teachings (though I guess they will face the dilemma of the Quran being a sacred book and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad being the direct words of God, beliefs which I respect). At the very least, let them issue a fatwa declaring this notion as more of a moral verse rather than to be applied to the letter.

Impossible, Islam and the Quran are pertinent to every day and age, if you find the punishment very horrid then do not do the crime. Quite simple.

No scholar or religious leader can change a thing about islamic Law, they are not allowed to do so, Islam is a complete religion that does not require fine tuning, unlike christianity which has been manipulated to suite people, Islam remains the same throughout the ages for it is the true word of God, unchangeable, unmanipulatable.

It is not for you, or any other human to change the rule of God.

[Dalzi]

No one's chaning anything. You do something to others, be prepared to get a taste of it; as simple as that. If all are punished for hurting others, one would think a million times before even touching another person because he'd know that there's no way he's going to get away with it.

[Icebolt]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

Impossible, Islam and the Quran are pertinent to every day and age, if you find the punishment very horrid then do not do the crime. Quite simple.

No scholar or religious leader can change a thing about islamic Law, they are not allowed to do so, Islam is a complete religion that does not require fine tuning, unlike christianity which has been manipulated to suite people, Islam remains the same throughout the ages for it is the true word of God, unchangeable, unmanipulatable.

It is not for you, or any other human to change the rule of God.

All I am saying is that these scholars can issue a fatwa changing the current interpretation of this verse from being applied litterally to a moral boundary (like punishment or retribution in the afterlife). After all, these scholars are officialliy assigned to be the interpreters of islamic laws, no?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Icebolt

All I am saying is that these scholars can issue a fatwa changing the current interpretation of this verse from being applied litterally to a moral boundary (like punishment or retribution in the afterlife). After all, these scholars are officialliy assigned to be the interpreters of islamic laws, no?

That's not how fatwas are issued :D. There is no interpretation needed, it's spelt outright. You can't change things :D. It's the law imposed on the people of Israel with Moses and it continues to exist till The Day of Judgement. And why would it be changed anyway? We find it very just. You blind me, you get blinded, lovely.

[Dalzi]

إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَا التَّوْرَاةَ فِيهَا هُدًى وَنُورٌ يَحْكُمُ بِهَا النَّبِيُّونَ الَّذِينَ أَسْلَمُواْ لِلَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَالرَّبَّانِيُّونَ وَالأَحْبَارُ بِمَا اسْتُحْفِظُواْ مِن كِتَابِ اللّهِ وَكَانُواْ عَلَيْهِ شُهَدَاء فَلاَ تَخْشَوُاْ النَّاسَ وَاخْشَوْنِ وَلاَ تَشْتَرُواْ بِآيَاتِي ثَمَنًا قَلِيلاً وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ
وَكَتَبْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِيهَا أَنَّ النَّفْسَ بِالنَّفْسِ وَالْعَيْنَ بِالْعَيْنِ وَالأَنفَ بِالأَنفِ وَالأُذُنَ بِالأُذُنِ وَالسِّنَّ بِالسِّنِّ وَالْجُرُوحَ قِصَاصٌ فَمَن تَصَدَّقَ بِهِ فَهُوَ كَفَّارَةٌ لَّهُ وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
وَقَفَّيْنَا عَلَى آثَارِهِم بِعَيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَآتَيْنَاهُ الإِنجِيلَ فِيهِ هُدًى وَنُورٌ وَمُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَهُدًى وَمَوْعِظَةً لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ
وَلْيَحْكُمْ أَهْلُ الإِنجِيلِ بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فِيهِ وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ
وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

More... According to the laws, it's your right to get the bugger punished, but of course if you refrain and forgive, you are the better...

[zodiac]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

That's not how fatwas are issued :D. There is no interpretation needed, it's spelt outright. You can't change things :D. It's the law imposed on the people of Israel with Moses and it continues to exist till The Day of Judgement. And why would it be changed anyway? We find it very just. You blind me, you get blinded, lovely.

«سمعتم أنه قيل العين بالعين والسن بالسن. أما أنا فأقول لكم لا تقاوموا الشرير، بل من لطمك على خدك الأيمن فقدم له الآخر».

Our Lord Jesus Christ...

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

No one's chaning anything. You do something to others, be prepared to get a taste of it; as simple as that. If all are punished for hurting others, one would think a million times before even touching another person because he'd know that there's no way he's going to get away with it.

Absolutely correct. Historically, as hard evidences suggest, when the Islamic capital punishement code was enforced, the society was a much better and safer place. As Dalzi said, if you are scared of the punishement then do not do the crime. Simple! This is why there is this punishement; A deterrence.

For those who are asking for a change in the code: You are missing a thing or two here. Aside from being a sacred law, in most cases and if the victim forgives then there won't be capital punishement even in murders.