Everything related to the Armenian Cause and the Recognition of the Armenian Genocide

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by Armenian

First Israel not recognizing the Armenian Genocide has 2 reasons:
- Politics and the very good economic and political relations with Turkey (exactly like USA)
- They want to be the only country to have seen the Genocide, and they want the holocaust to be the first the first Genocide of the 20th century

Second Armenia adopted the recognition of the Armenian Genocide after the 2nd President Mr Kocharian came to power after 1998. Now in it's external affairs agenda, recognition is number one. This came after a big struggle by the Diaspora and Tashnag party that is the only party that has presence in Diaspora and in Armenia.

Just for the record before 1998 (1991-1998) Armenians of Diaspora did criticize the state in Armenia for not caring about the recognition of the Armenian Genocide...

Thank you!!

May be you are right. Thank you.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by Anny

That's all the countries, none of them is a muslim country, and where is the US? I am surprised I dont see Danemark, Norway and Iceland in this list as well

What about Lebanon?

[RedArmenian]

[quote=Armenian;933272] This came after a big struggle by the Diaspora and Tashnag party that is the only party that has presence in Diaspora and in Armenia.

QUOTE]

Only Tashnak has presence ?lol man what are you smoking ?I want some lol

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Armenian

This came after a big struggle by the Diaspora and Tashnag party that is the only party that has presence in Diaspora and in Armenia.

Originally Posted by RedArmenian

Only Tashnak has presence ?lol man what are you smoking ?I want some lol

Can you please name me any other political party that has presence in both Armenia and Diaspora?

Im smoking the struggle...

Thank you!!

[RedArmenian]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Can you please name me any other political party that has presence in both Armenia and Diaspora?

Im smoking the struggle...

Thank you!!

oh yes Ramgavar Party and Hunchag Party if admin allows I can Post some links
and yes Armenian Communists, maybe in Lebanon the Armenian Communists embedded in Lebanese Communist Party cause its a secular party, and we were born and live in Lebanon .
we are struggling also, maybe you forgot who build dsidsernagapert November 29, 1967 ?

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by RedArmenian

oh yes Ramgavar Party and Hunchag Party if admin allows I can Post some links
and yes Armenian Communists, maybe in Lebanon the Armenian Communists embedded in Lebanese Communist Party cause its a secular party, and we were born and live in Lebanon .
we are struggling also, maybe you forgot who build dsidsernagapert November 29, 1967 ?

First my friend I have total respect to the 3 parties you just named... I've studied them and most of my friend are part of them and I can't tell you how much i'm amazed but their history.

I never said they didn't struggle, in the contrary they were leading the struggle...

All I said that they don't have presence in Armenia now ( mostly talking about Hunchag and Ramgavar). They admit by themselves now, they the only party now that has ministers and presence in Armenia and in the Diaspora is the Tashnag party.

The other parties you named are struggling from the Diaspora.

Thank you!!

[sev]

Turkey, Armenia say they are near restoring ties





Armenia and Turkey said Thursday they are close to restoring full relations after 15 years of disagreements over claims of genocide against Armenians under Ottoman rule.
NATO-member Turkey and Armenia, a former Soviet republic, also hope to reopen their shared border, closed in 1993 _ a goal encouraged by the European Union and the United States.

"We could be very close to settling the issue in the near future," Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian said after holding talks with Turkish counterpart Ali Babacan during a Black Sea economic conference in Yerevan.

Babacan said Turkish leaders want an "all-encompassing" solution and "full normalization" of ties, according to comments broadcast by Turkey's NTV television after he returned to Ankara.

Both sides said they had made progress during Thursday's talks. But neither gave any hints of how they might resolve the key point of contention _ Armenia's assertion that the Ottoman-era killings of Armenians amounted to genocide.

Turkey disputes the claim, saying there was no systematic campaign to wipe out Armenians, despite estimates that up to 1.5 million Armenians died in what is widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century.

The two countries also differ over Azerbaijan's Nagorno-Karabakh region, controlled by Armenia after a six-year war that broke out in the waning days of the Soviet Union.

Turkey wants its talks with Armenia to proceed in parallel with negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan, an ally of Turkey.

Azerbaijan's Deputy Foreign Minister Mahmud Mamadkuliyev, also in Yerevan for the Black Sea conference, said his country was closely following the talks between Turkey and Armenia.

"Steps to rebuild relations between Armenia and Turkey must be linked to settling the (Nagorno-Karabakh) conflict," he said.

The U.S. and EU have urged Turkey and Armenia to resolve their differences.

President Barack Obama _ who seeks Turkey's support for U.S. military goals in Iraq and Afghanistan _ is expected to issue a closely scrutinized statement marking Armenian remembrance day on April 24.

Obama had referred to the "Armenian genocide" during his presidential campaign, but refrained from using the term during a recent visit to Turkey, saying only that his views were on the record.

Turkey, Armenia say they are near restoring ties - Taiwan News Online

[Danny Z]

Obama faces dilemma on Armenian killings
Recognizing genocide offends ally, avoiding it breaks campaign pledge
The Associated Press
updated 10:07 a.m. ET, Fri., April 24, 2009

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama faces a dilemma as he prepares to issue an annual presidential statement Friday on the World War I-era killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks.

Referring to the killings as genocide could upend recent pledges of a closer partnership with Turkey, a vital U.S. ally in a critical region. Steering around the word would break his unequivocal campaign pledges to recognize the killings as genocide.

The decision follows an announcement by Turkey and Armenia on Wednesday that they were nearing a historic reconciliation after years of tension. The Obama administration is wary of upsetting that development and closely coordinated a statement Wednesday about the apparent breakthrough with the Turkish government and Swiss mediators.

The dispute involves the killing of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians. Genocide scholars widely view the event as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey denies that the deaths constituted genocide, contending the toll has been inflated and that the casualties were victims of civil war and unrest.

Diplomatic efforts underway
The announcement of progress between Turkey and Armenia appeared timed to set the stage for Friday's White House statement. During a trip to Turkey this month, Obama emphasized U.S. support for the reconciliation efforts and avoided the term genocide in a speech to the Turkish parliament. He said in response to an inquiry, however, that he had not changed his views on the question.

Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday spoke by phone with Armenian President Serge Sarkisian, and a statement from Biden's office said the vice president told him he welcomed Wednesday's announcement.

"The vice president applauded President Sarkisian's leadership, and underscored the administration's firm support for both Armenia and Turkey in this process," the statement said.

Turkey and Armenia have no diplomatic ties, and their border has been closed since 1993 because of a Turkish protest of Armenia's occupation of land claimed by Azerbaijan.

In September, Turkish President Abdullah Gul became the first Turkish leader to visit Armenia, where he and Sarkisian watched their countries' football teams play a World Cup qualifying match. The Armenian government appears to be interested in further talks. Armenian-American groups and supporters in Congress are focused on passing a resolution that describes the killings as genocide and argue that it should not undermine diplomatic efforts.

Gul said Friday in Ankara that he expected Obama to deliver a statement that would reinforce the reconciliation talks.

"I believe that (Obama's statement) should be one that is supportive of our good intentioned efforts," Gul told reporters.

Turkey wants its talks with Armenia to advance in parallel with negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan over disputed territory controlled by Armenia.

Turkey closed its border with Armenia during that nation's conflict with Azerbaijan over the Nagorno-Karabakh region. Turkey backs Azerbaijan's claim to the disputed region, which has a high number of ethnic Armenian residents but lies within Azerbaijan's borders.
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URL: Obama faces dilemma on Armenian killings - White House- msnbc.com

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

Not only 1,5 M Armenians were massacred but also 750,000 Assyro-Chaldeans, Syriacs and 200,000 Greeks. To be more accurate we should call it the Genocide of the Christians minorities in Turkey rather than "Armenian Genocide" since it was obviously a calculated plan by the Ottoman autorities to erase Turkey from its Christian presence. If the west calls it "Armenian Genocide" it s because that appellation hides the sectarian nature of the massacre, which will contradicts the propaganda that we hear in Europe saying that Turks and Arabs were tolerant with the other religions etc...
At the end Armenians were not slaughtered just because they re Armenians but because of their faith , the 1914-1922 massacres are an episode from a long phenomena wich began in the 6 th century and consists in Islamizing the east and erase its Christian presence/roots. A phenomena which continues in our modern times with the Lebanese civil war, the intimidation and marginalisation of the Copts, the massacres against the Christians in Iraq during the 20 s and their actual persecution, current massacres in Darfur etc...

I'm not quite familiar with Armenian dispute with Turkey over the recognition of the massacres, and I'm not willing to dwell in it. However your post holds fallacies and Ignorance that I shall not allow to pass.

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Muslims from the 6th century down to our current time have never used the sword or any form of ethnic cleansing as a mean for spreading Islam. Sure history has witnessed wars between Muslims and Christians during the past 14 centuries, however none of them witnessed Muslims forcing Christians to convert to Islam or even to leave the Middle East, and Saladins' Liberation of Jerusalem and the way he treated the Christians after his prevalence is one proof of that. And the recent examples you've mentioned are mostly due to political reasons and purposes.

Islam is a religion of peace and acceptance. And if there is any reason for one to believe otherwise, it is merely due to his complete ignorance of this divine message.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Saladin

I'm not quite familiar with Armenian dispute with Turkey over the recognition of the massacres, and I'm not willing to dwell in it. However your post holds fallacies and Ignorance that I shall not allow to pass.

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Muslims from the 6th century down to our current time have never used the sword or any form of ethnic cleansing as a mean for spreading Islam. Sure history has witnessed wars between Muslims and Christians during the past 14 centuries, however none of them witnessed Muslims forcing Christians to convert to Islam or even to leave the Middle East, and Saladins' Liberation of Jerusalem and the way he treated the Christians after his prevalence is one proof of that. And the recent examples you've mentioned are mostly due to political reasons and purposes.


Islam is a religion of peace and acceptance. And if there is any reason for one to believe otherwise, it is merely due to his complete ignorance of this divine message.

Yeah they did not force them to change but they persecute them so that they decided to build churches in wedi annoubin away from persecution

Of course up until today Christians were never persecuted by those who call themselves defenders of Islam, that's why there is a church on every corner in Saudi Arabia, and that's why the bible is the most sold book in Riyadh, followed by Ayat Shaytaniyya of Salman Rushdie.

Especially those turks they never did anything wrong to everyone that's why Costantinople's name was never changed right? and what about the Hagia Sophia, does its story ring a bell?

I don't know why you jumped to the defense of Islam, the young Turks were as nationalists as Hitler, they were as muslims as he was Christian, Their hatred stems from racism rather than from Religion, kind of ta3assob ta2ifi, which has nothing to do with religion to start with, they closely resembled the Hariri kind of ta3assob, the type of we are better. I don't know what's the problem with you every time there is a guy whose sect is sunni does something wrong, you jump to the defense of the whole sunnis in the world, you do the same with Hariri, although Hariri is not muslim, he just claims to be.

It is true that Islam as a religion is one of peace, but in real practice we see a lot who preach under it banner and practice more Gore than horror movies. From the who he calls himself khadem el 7aramyan el sharifeyn to those who are happy to cut heads on TV. You don't need to defend them just because they preach they are muslim, you need to stop believing they are real muslims.

If you want to dwell on this open another thread, keep this for the genocide of Armenians by the Turks, and buy the way Saladin was a kurd from Armenia.