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[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by Armenian

And the biggest problem in USA is the Israeli lobbying against such recognition...

...and why Israel would do that ? I don t see what is the interest for the Israelis to lobby against such recognition.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

...and why Israel would do that ? I don t see what is the interest for the Israelis to lobby against such recognition.

Arn't Israel and Turky allies? why would they want the world and the people to remember any massacre other than the holocaust?

[sev]

PRESIDENT OBAMA’S HOME STATE BECOMES 42nd TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

Aloha State Officially Marks Atrocity During President’s Visit to Turkey
HONOLULU, HI – Hawaii, home to President Barack Obama, became the 42nd U.S. state to recognize the Armenian Genocide, with the State House of Representatives earlier today adopting a formal measure (HR192) that both condemned this crime and noted Turkey’s ongoing denial of this atrocity.

The measure, which was adopted unanimously on the day of the President’s trip to Turkey, declares April 24th as a "Day of Remembrance in Recognition of and Commemoration of the Armenian Genocide of 1915." The "Aloha State" proclamation makes Hawaii the 42nd state to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

“Hawaii’s recognition today of the Armenian Genocide reflects the broad-based and growing tide of civil society support throughout the United States for a strong, moral American stand against all genocides,” said ANCA Executive Director Aram Hamparian. “In this spirit, and keeping faith with the citizens of Hawaii and the forty-one other states that have officially marked this crime, we look forward, in the coming days, to the President honoring his pledge to recognize the Armenian Genocide.”

The legislation, HR192, states that, "approximately 1.5 million Armenian men, women, and children living within the Ottoman Empire's borders were killed in a brutal genocide," and that, "the Armenian Genocide remains unacknowledged by the Republic of Turkey to this day." The measure also notes that, "this body joins with Hawaii's Armenian-American community and all Armenians worldwide in recognizing and honoring those who were killed and persecuted during the Armenian Genocide, and urging people throughout the world to never forget these horrific crimes against humanity."

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[Armenian]

Chicago Sun-Times
April 8, 2009

No lies, no euphemisms: Call it Armenian genocide
By Christopher Hitchens

Even before President Obama set off on his visit to Turkey this week, there were the usual voices urging him to dilute the principled position that he has so far taken on the Armenian genocide. April is the month in which the Armenian diaspora commemorates the bloody initiation, in 1915, of the Ottoman Empire's campaign to erase its Armenian population. The marking of the occasion takes two forms: Armenian Remembrance Day, on April 24, and the annual attempt to persuade Congress to name that day as one that abandons weasel wording and officially calls the episode by its right name, which is the word I used above.

"Genocide" had not been coined in 1915, but the U.S. ambassador in Constantinople, Henry Morgenthau, employed a term that was in some ways more graphic. In his urgent reports to the State Department, conveying on-the-spot dispatches from his consuls especially in the provinces of Van and Harput, he described the systematic slaughter of the Armenians as "race murder."

A vast archive of evidence exists to support this claim. But every year, the deniers and euphemists set to work again, and there are usually enough military-industrial votes to weigh the scale in favor of our Turkish client. (Of late, Turkey's opportunist military alliance with Israel has also been good for a few shame-faced Jewish votes as well.)

President Obama comes to this issue with an unusually clear and unambivalent record. In 2006, for example, the U.S. ambassador to Armenia, John Evans, was recalled for employing the word genocide. Then-Sen. Obama wrote a letter of complaint to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, deploring the State Department's cowardice and roundly stating that "the occurrence of the Armenian genocide in 1915 is not an 'allegation,' a 'personal opinion' or a 'point of view,' " but rather a "widely documented fact" supported "by an overwhelming amount of historical evidence." On the campaign trail last year, he amplified this position, saying that "America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides. I intend to be that president."

For any who might entertain doubt on this score, I would recommend two recent books of exceptional interest and scholarship that both add a good deal of depth and texture to this drama. The first is Armenian Golgotha: A Memoir of the Armenian Genocide, by Grigoris Balakian, and the second is Rebel Land: Travels Among Turkey's Forgotten Peoples, a contemporary account by Christopher de Bellaigue.

In addition, we have just learned of shattering corroborative evidence from within the archives of the Turkish state. The Ottoman politician who began the campaign of deportation and extermination, Talat Pasha, left enormous documentation behind him. His family has given the papers to a Turkish author named Murat Bardakci, who has published a book with the somewhat dry title The Remaining Documents of Talat Pasha. One of these "remaining documents" is a cold estimate that between the years 1915 and 1916 alone, a total of 972,000 Armenians simply vanished from the officially kept records of population.

There are those who try to say that the Armenian catastrophe was a regrettable byproduct of the fog of war and of imperial collapse, and this might be partly true of the many more Armenians who were slaughtered at the war's end and after the implosion of Ottomanism. But this is an archive maintained by the government of the day and its chief anti-Armenian politician, and it records in the very early days of World War I a population decline from 1,256,000 to 284,157. It is very seldom that a regime in its private correspondence confirms the claims of its victims almost to an exactitude.

So what will the deniers say now? The usual routine has been to insinuate that if Congress votes to assert the historic truth, then Turkey will inconvenience the NATO alliance by making trouble on the Iraqi border, denying the use of bases to the U.S. Air Force or in other unspecified ways. It is now being hinted that if either President Obama or the Congress goes ahead with the endorsement of the genocide resolution, Turkey will prove uncooperative on a range of issues, including the normalization of the frontier between Turkey and Armenia and the transit of oil and gas pipelines across the Caucasus.

The question is not only for Armenians, who are economically hard-pressed by the Turkish closure of the common border. It is also for the Turks, whose bravest cultural spokesmen and writers take genuine risks to break the taboo.

And it is also for Americans, who, having elected a supposedly brave new president, are being told that he -- and our Congress too -- must agree to collude in a historical lie. This falsification has gone on long enough. It is, among other things, precisely "for reasons of state" -- in other words, for the clear and vital announcement that we can't be bought or intimidated -- that April 24, 2009, should become remembered as the date when we affirmed the truth and accepted, as truth-telling does, all the consequences.

New York Times Syndicate

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[Qwiw]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

...and why Israel would do that ? I don t see what is the interest for the Israelis to lobby against such recognition.

The Jewish people wants to be the only people victim of a genocide...
Look at the 1940-45 war... nobody is talking about the numerous non-jewish victims of the war. 5% of the victims of the 1940-45 war were Jews, however we are only talking about them.

Israel never recognised the Armenian Genocide... that's pretty weird for a supposed martyr people to not recognize a genocide like the massacre, more obvious, of the Armenians.

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

I do not know why Israel does not recognize Armenian genocide officially. I am sure reasons are purely political and if so are hypocritical.

But what surprises me more than that is why Armenian diaspora of Lebanon does not criticize Armenia itself for not pressing matter with much greater vigor? After all, if Armenian state does not care who else should? I am guessing reasons for impotence are too purely political.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

I do not know why Israel does not recognize Armenian genocide officially. I am sure reasons are purely political and if so are hypocritical.

But what surprises me more than that is why Armenian diaspora of Lebanon does not criticize Armenia itself for not pressing matter with much greater vigor? After all, if Armenian state does not care who else should? I am guessing reasons for impotence are too purely political.

First Israel not recognizing the Armenian Genocide has 2 reasons:
- Politics and the very good economic and political relations with Turkey (exactly like USA)
- They want to be the only country to have seen the Genocide, and they want the holocaust to be the first the first Genocide of the 20th century

Second Armenia adopted the recognition of the Armenian Genocide after the 2nd President Mr Kocharian came to power after 1998. Now in it's external affairs agenda, recognition is number one. This came after a big struggle by the Diaspora and Tashnag party that is the only party that has presence in Diaspora and in Armenia.

Just for the record before 1998 (1991-1998) Armenians of Diaspora did criticize the state in Armenia for not caring about the recognition of the Armenian Genocide...

Thank you!!

[TripolySunni]

I read A comment on youtube a while back here is what it says: "rapist terrorist armani can just kill , rape , invaid - armani is imigrant from greece .armani is ugly animal just kill
human being- 1000s armanis came 2 europe as refugee and identify themselves as azari for became refugee in europe- u see armani just lie, cheating ,killing no more
100s azari girls raiped by armani invaiders inside azarbaijan, and turkey misuse this 4 its own interests ".

I don't know much about the armenian struggle but Does anyone have an idea what he's talking about?

[proIsrael-nonIsraeli]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

I read A comment on youtube a while back here is what it says: "rapist terrorist armani can just kill , rape , invaid - armani is imigrant from greece .armani is ugly animal just kill
human being- 1000s armanis came 2 europe as refugee and identify themselves as azari for became refugee in europe- u see armani just lie, cheating ,killing no more
100s azari girls raiped by armani invaiders inside azarbaijan, and turkey misuse this 4 its own interests ".

I don't know much about the armenian struggle but Does anyone have an idea what he's talking about?

Armenia and Azerbaijan have problem over Nagorno-Karabakh currently going. Problem intentionally created by Stalin, btw. I suspect they are just laying about each other to make sure each side is properly hated by the foe. I wouldn't read too much into it.