Can a Palestinian Nonviolent Resistance Help?

[amalhope]

Originally Posted by Zayn

You are not very familiar with the structure of the occupation. The cities are under Palestinian control while everywhere else is run by the Israeli occupation forces to protect settlers. There are checkpoints all throughout the West Bank specifically designed to hinder the movement of large bodies (say, a few thousand), of people from moving from one area to another. You cannot stage a sit-in in that regard.

Also, entire villages do protest the occupation, only to be met with violence. The Palestinians have tried every form of resistance there is. You are not coming up with anything new.

True. But whoever is not hindered could bring his wife, neighbours, etc. Where are the women? Why has it mostly been Palestinian men? Women would double the number just by being there alongside the men.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by amalhope

True. But whoever is not hindered could bring his wife, neighbours, etc. Where are the women? Why has it mostly been Palestinian men? Women would double the number just by being there alongside the men.

I have posted many pictures of women protesting the occupation. The Israelis beat them just like they beat men and children. You really need to understand just how ruthless this occupation is.

[amalhope]

Originally Posted by Zayn

You cannot deport the Jews. They are there to stay as they please. One state for two people is the only rational solution to this conflict. The Jews will lose their majority and the Arabs will have to accept a Jewish presence.

I know. When I talked about the one-state solution, I said whoever is already there stays. BUT that in itself is already a compromise.

[amalhope]

Originally Posted by Zayn

I have posted many pictures of women protesting the occupation. The Israelis beat them just like they beat men and children. You really need to understand just how ruthless this occupation is.

I understand. I have seen pictures. Palestinian women are sometimes present, but they are absent on the most part. Look at any protest in the West Bank or Gaza. Where are the women?

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by amalhope

I understand. I have seen pictures. Palestinian women are sometimes present, but they are absent on the most part. Look at any protest in the West Bank or Gaza. Where are the women?

No they're not.

[amalhope]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

The nonviolent resistance was appearant during the first Intifada. Infact the images of Israeli soliders in the world press trying to break the hands of the children who wear stoning them made good image throughout the world. The first intifada was killed by Arafat and his company who signed the Oslow accord. Arafat who led us from one defeat to another, was masterfully outmanovered by the Israeli government which wanted a way out. So they brought in Arafat and his 30,000 men carrying Klashinkoffs and thus justfying Israeli massacre of civilans. Arafat, Abbass and company have harmed Palestinians more than anyone else in the world. I hope they all end up in hell

True. Arafat has brought on calamity after calamity for the Palestinian cause. However, he is still regarded as a "symbolic" leader by many Palestinians and remained in power until his demise. Abbas, despite being regarded as a traitor by a very large percentage of Palestinians, also remains in power. This is something we're already discussing in another thread about why 'Arabs' don't revolt.

The Palestinian people, just like other people of that region, have been very passive about leaderships. The mentality of being followers is still very pervasive and more so than ever, unfortunately.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by amalhope

True. Arafat has brought on calamity after calamity for the Palestinian cause. However, he is still regarded as a "symbolic" leader by many Palestinians and remained in power until his demise. Abbas, despite being regarded as a traitor by a very large percentage of Palestinians, also remains in power. This is something we're already discussing in another thread about why 'Arabs' don't revolt.

The Palestinian people, just like other people of that region, have been very passive about leaderships. The mentality of being followers is still very pervasive and more so than ever, unfortunately.

Passive? Are you aware that the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2006 and gave Fatah the boot?

Abbas really presides over very little and directly controls only a few towns in the West Bank. He is President of Nothing.

[amalhope]

This is a point I'd be happy to be proven wrong in. As much as I would love for this to be true, from what I see of Palestinian protests and sit-ins on TV, the ratio of Palestinian women is very small. You can easily find many more pictures of such incidents, but this does not prove that the ratio is as large as it should be and that women are equally involved in protests. There are pictures of women throwing stones during the Intifada years, but the vast majority were men.

Originally Posted by Zayn

No they're not.

[amalhope]

Originally Posted by Zayn

Passive? Are you aware that the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2006 and gave Fatah the boot?

Abbas really presides over very little and directly controls only a few towns in the West Bank. He is President of Nothing.

Yes, I am aware that Palestinians eleted Hamas, but no Fatah has not yet been given the boot. I see Abbas still in office in the West Bank and Hamas only controlling Gaza.

NO action has been taken to "dethrone" Abbas. That is passive.

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by amalhope

This is a point I'd be happy to be proven wrong in. As much as I would love for this to be true, from what I see of Palestinian protests and sit-ins on TV, the ratio of Palestinian women is very small. You can easily find many more pictures of such incidents, but this does not prove that the ratio is as large as it should be and that women are equally involved in protests. There are pictures of women throwing stones during the Intifada years, but the vast majority were men.

Did it ever occur to you that men and women have different styles of protest? Men are more likely to take part in the aggressive, stone-throwing protests you see on TV most often. I posted several pictures of Palestinian women standing up to occupation, yet you are still trying to tell me that women have no part in the resistance.

Yes, I am aware that Palestinians eleted Hamas, but no Fatah has not yet been given the boot. I see Abbas still in office in the West Bank and Hamas only controlling Gaza.

NO action has been taken to "dethrone" Abbas. That is passive.

I find it terribly ironic that you are calling the Palestinians, who have resisted Israeli occupation with blood, sweat, tears, and more blood for over 60 years "passive" people. Did I not just tell you that Fatah really controls very little in the West Bank and that Abbas is on his way out the door? The last thing Palestinians need is to shed more Palestinian blood while they have an increasingly tightening occupation around their necks. Try to understand this, because your understanding of this conflict has a lot of holes in it that need to be filled.