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Care to explain this? How have the Palestinians "spent" their cause? Why do you repeatedly keep saying things and not justifying them even the slightest bit? Are you bitter about something?
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On the contrary, the Palestinian cause is still going strong. So long as there are representatives of the Palestinians who do not hesitate to fight for justice, the cause will not die. So long as the Palestinians protest daily, the cause will not die. Israel pounded Gaza with everything they had and they could not break the will of the Palestinians. Where do you get off telling me that the Palestinian cause is "spent"? Why do you think that because Gulf states do not fund the Palestinian cause like they fund your Hariri friends that the Palestinian cause is "spent"? Please, I want to hear your opinion because it seems as though you are seeing something that the whole world is not?


Wlik aya Representatives? You mean Abu Mazen, the guy who decided to shelve the UN report on Gaza?! Come on man!


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Can you provide evidence for my fellow Palestinians who have "forgotten" the cause? I went to a mosque last weekend and raised $9000 in a single day for Gazans. Of course this is anecdotal, but it is just an example. Even here in America, we have people donating hundreds of dollars to support the Palestinians.


You went to a Mosque? Ma 3a ases you’re not Muslim wa ma ilak dikhil bil deen. Moohem, be careful to whom you are donating to in the country that feeds you, because HAMAS is a terrorist entity in the US.

In anycase, my point was through your (Palestinian) actions you have lost all support from Arab States, not just the Gulf, almost every Arab State. Badak tinkor haza?
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Do not refer to me as your brother. It is an insult for somebody like you to try and show me endearment.


Granted, but only if you do not associate me to Hariri and his likes.


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Have you ever been to a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon? I went to Sabra and Shatila and Bourj al-Barajenah several times during my stay in Lebanon in 2008. I have never seen such misery in my life. In Syria, the Palestinians do not have their homes destroyed by the army like they do in Lebanon. There was no Nahr al-Bared incident in Syria.



Pffftt, leish you think Lebanese Citizens can enter these camps? Wlik the Army Can’t enter those camps…
Zayn, naher-el-bared, that is way of topic and will not go into it here, but let me tell you something, Syria wouldn't have been so kind had the same occurred there!


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I notice you are now contradicting yourself. First you said that my "Arabo-Islamic brothers" (it looks like you derived this term from a neocon handbook) don't support Palestinians. Now you are telling me that Iran is "bound under Islam" to destroy Israel. Can you explain how this amounts to the Palestinians being "used"? How would the Palestinians not benefit from the dissolution of a Jewish apartheid state? You are making a turn for the ridiculous in your desperation to try and prove yourself correct.


Bek Shi? How many Arabo-Islamic States are there? 3edon. My point is clear, there is, as you’ve stated, only 1 Arab State and 1 Islamic state supporting you out of two dozen countries almost. Eh yikhzel3ain allah awekon!

Used akeed. You are a proxy to a larger socio-political drama being played out by the US, Iran-Syrian axis and Israel.


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Nevermind the international support that the Palestinians get in Europe.


Which Europeans, George Galloway….?
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Palestinians have already tried non-violent resistance. It is always met with violence.

Palestinians resist nonviolently everyday, but the Western media doesn't cover it.



True. Perhaps if it's a larger-scale peaceful movement it might work in some cases and it would get media attention. Who knows!

I mean the majority of the citizens of a village go down to the streets and just sit peacefully in front of bulldozers ready to bring down homes or trees, etc. I am talking 2000 people or more. I don't know how plausible this is, it's just an idea (in response to the first message in this thread).

Again, I don't know. Israel is a beast.
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stop the propaganda.
Your Arabo-Islamic brothers don't even care one iota for your 'Palestinian cause' and you want the West to care?
What propaganda?!

What you said is discriminatory. Westerners are also brothers and sisters in humanity. Who cares about religious affiliations and some loose identity term. Palestinians are also human beings. Also remember that just like in Lebanon we have people of different religions, there are also Christian Palestinians!

"Arabo"? "Brothers"? We're in the 21st century! I can't believe you're still clinging to such terms and lingo!!

Why do you consider all Palestinians "Arabo"? If you're not one, why are they? There's no pure ethnicity when it comes to Palestinians, just like there's no pure ethnicity when it comes to Lebanese, Syrians, etc.

I hope we can keep the discussion about real matters, tangible things.
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True. Perhaps if it's a larger-scale peaceful movement it might work in some cases and it would get media attention. Who knows!

I mean the majority of the citizens of a village go down to the streets and just sit peacefully in front of bulldozers ready to bring down homes or trees, etc. I am talking 2000 people or more. I don't know how plausible this is, it's just an idea (in response to the first message in this thread).

Again, I don't know. Israel is a beast.
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No, I didn't mean a general uprising. I meant a massive sit-in for one certain matter. It's happened before with Rachel Corie and others, but it's always been small in size. I just wonder if something on a much larger scale could work.
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Wlik aya Representatives? You mean Abu Mazen, the guy who decided to shelve the UN report on Gaza?! Come on man!
No, I mean Hamas. Do you think Abbas has anymore legitimacy with Palestinians?

By the way, you still didn't answer 99% of the questions I posed to you.

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You went to a Mosque? Ma 3a ases you’re not Muslim wa ma ilak dikhil bil deen. Moohem, be careful to whom you are donating to in the country that feeds you, because HAMAS is a terrorist entity in the US.
Yes, and I have entered churches and synagogues. All because I am atheist does not mean that I cannot share a common cause with men and women of religion.

And our donations are tax deductible and go directly to buying sustainable aid for ordinary Gazans. Do not lecture me on where donations go. You can donate as well if you'd like.

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In anycase, my point was through your (Palestinian) actions you have lost all support from Arab States, not just the Gulf, almost every Arab State. Badak tinkor haza?Sorry the site I will not visit, it is not objective.
Support from many puppet governments is gone, but it's not gone from the hearts and minds of the Arab people. Note that the gulf states cut backing for the PLO (which was not even based in Palestine at the time) for backing Iraq in the Gulf War, not because it gave up on the Palestinian issue. It's not off of Al-Jazeera, it's not out of the newspapers. It's still on the world's mind and is one of the most important issues in the world. You also seem to forget that many people from the Gulf switched funding to Hamas rather than the PLO in the 90s, which is why they were able to build so many schools, hospitals, and other social services that the PLO could not. It also led to an increase in their popularity.

I see that you have switched your stance, however. First it was "Arabo-Islamic." Now it's just "most Arab states." Funny how your rigid views can be switched so quickly.

I also don't know why you equate this to defeat for the Palestinian people. Why do you think that the success of the Palestinian movement hinges on donations from Gulf States? I am sorry, but the Palestinians do not follow the Hariri model. They have fought the Israelis on their own for decades with nothing but stones, slingshots, and crude weapons. Do you think Saudi Arabia bought all of the stones for the first Intifada?

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It's hard not to when you seem to think that Arab opinion hinges on donations from US-backed Gulf States.

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Pffftt, leish you think Lebanese Citizens can enter these camps? Wlik the Army Can’t enter those camps…
I am an American citizen and I entered the camps. There is no gate outside of Sabra where they check your ID before you go in, genius. You can just go in and peruse as you please. It's funny how you comment on Lebanese refugee camps but you've never been to one. I think this is very indicative of your knowledge on this topic. You literally make things up out of thin air and try to pass it off to somebody who has actually been there.

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Zayn, naher-el-bared, that is way of topic and will not go into it here, but let me tell you something, Syria wouldn't have been so kind had the same occurred there!
You were the one comparing yourself to Syria. Syria never had a Nahr Al-Bared incident. It is illogical for you to assume what the Syrians might do in the same situation, because it has never happened. You can stop talking about refugee camps now because you know nothing about them.

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Bek Shi? How many Arabo-Islamic States are there? 3edon. My point is clear, there is, as you’ve stated, only 1 Arab State and 1 Islamic state supporting you out of two dozen countries almost. Eh yikhzel3ain allah awekon!
First of all, what is this "Arabo-Islamic" term you keep using? Where did you find this term? It's really, really stupid. You seem to think that the Arab world has forgotten about the Palestinian cause because puppet regimes do not.

The United Nations, through UNRWA, provides more aid to Palestinians than it does to any other group of people on the planet. This is funded through collective donations from all member states. You also forget that the Palestinians are the most heavily subsidized people on the planet.

UNRWA Official Homepage (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East)

By the way, several Arab states do back Palestinian elements, but they are mostly the collaborators of Mahmoud Abbas and Mohammad Dahlan.

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So the Palestinians didn't have a problem with Israel before the "Iran-Syrian" axis decided it wanted to destroy Israel? How is it that you know so little about this topic yet you are from the region?

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Not just Galloway, there are Europeans who have led the fight in Boycotting, Divesting, and Sanctioning Israel. Several Israeli ministers and military generals cannot even enter countries like Britain for fear of prosecution for war crimes.

Really, you are being proven wrong on every point you make, yet you continue typing to me. Are you bitter about something? The next time you post, please actually try to:

1. Back your points up with factual evidence.
2. Cut out this stupid Arablish you're typing to me in an attempt to try and make it seem like you're casually replying, in reality, you are being humiliated and you know it.
3. Make sense.
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No, I didn't mean a general uprising. I meant a massive sit-in for one certain matter. It's happened before with Rachel Corie and others, but it's always been small in size. I just wonder if something on a much larger scale could work.
What's the difference? It is all passive resistance. The First Intifada also incorporated things other than throwing rocks, you know. Do some more research.
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Wlik aya Representatives? You mean Abu Mazen, the guy who decided to shelve the UN report on Gaza?! Come on man!




You went to a Mosque? Ma 3a ases you’re not Muslim wa ma ilak dikhil bil deen. Moohem, be careful to whom you are donating to in the country that feeds you, because HAMAS is a terrorist entity in the US.

In anycase, my point was through your (Palestinian) actions you have lost all support from Arab States, not just the Gulf, almost every Arab State. Badak tinkor haza?
Sorry the site I will not visit, it is not objective.




Granted, but only if you do not associate me to Hariri and his likes.





Pffftt, leish you think Lebanese Citizens can enter these camps? Wlik the Army Can’t enter those camps…
Zayn, naher-el-bared, that is way of topic and will not go into it here, but let me tell you something, Syria wouldn't have been so kind had the same occurred there!




Bek Shi? How many Arabo-Islamic States are there? 3edon. My point is clear, there is, as you’ve stated, only 1 Arab State and 1 Islamic state supporting you out of two dozen countries almost. Eh yikhzel3ain allah awekon!

Used akeed. You are a proxy to a larger socio-political drama being played out by the US, Iran-Syrian axis and Israel.




Which Europeans, George Galloway….?
you are not making sense , you are just bickering, you post is a waste, even to cyberspace.
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Now to the topic, babies aside. إن لم تكن ذئبا أكلتك الذئاب Murderous butchers only understand the language of violence. Had there been a chance for the Palestinians to achieve anything peacefully, they wouldn't have resorted to other methods. Their continuous peaceful protests are met with violence. Have we forgotten the men whose bones were crushed with rocks on their piece of land? That's just an example of what a big mistake it would be if we think that occupiers should be faced with other than bullets in their chests.

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