Bush must be stopped

[Suney]

Originally Posted by abou Libnan

Its never good to hear about so many innocent people dying, but the Iraqis brought that on their own. The civil war brought upon al-queda and the shiite militias. America never went in there to start a civil war.

But wait a sec, Bush is a hero. He must be praised. He should be thanked for causing the deaths of so many Iraqis

The US went in Iraq to fing WMD. There werent any, they lied. They decieved simple minded people.

Dont give the BS that they anted to "spread democracy"

[jiugiusti]

Originally Posted by Suney

But wait a sec, Bush is a hero. He must be praised. He should be thanked for causing the deaths of so many Iraqis

The US went in Iraq to fing WMD. There werent any, they lied. They decieved simple minded people.

Dont give the BS that they anted to "spread democracy"

Bush is not a hero at all. but since, each of us lebanese see the interests of lebanon differently, I would say Thank you Bush (that What GMA was doing in the congress) for getting syria out of lebanon (even though his ancestors brought syria in).

And by the way, who is killing iraki!!? the american army.. or the terrorist militias themselves who are killing their own people?!!!!! Being occupied does not give militia the right to kill their own people...

[Suney]

Originally Posted by abou Libnan

Ya Abufijil, your peeps in iraq were being persecuted and harrassesd daily under saddam hussein. You should be glad that he invaded iraq and freed them from a ruling minority.

Their mission was to find WMD. They didnt. They lied. Cant you understand?

The war was not necessary.

Dont you dare bring up the way Saddam treated Iraqis in an effort to praise the US.

The US supported Saddam, they turned a blind eye to the way he treated the Iraqis.

The economic sanctions imposed on Iraq, which was pushed by the US caused so many children to die. So many died of malnutrition

The US dont care one bit about the Iraqis. The never did

So when I hear some one say that the US should be praised for their role in Iraq, it makes me sick. I find that disgusting. I cant imagine how grossly misinformed you are

Iran on the other hand is NOT supplying the "resistance" ,lol, Iran is suppllying the shiites so they can slaughter the sunnis and take revenge for all the years of persecution. Iran wants an islammic state in iraq, just like in lebanon. They are a threat to the regional stability and need to be taken out, the sooner the better.

Post your propaganda somewhere else

[Suney]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Bush is not a hero at all. but since, each of us lebanese see the interests of lebanon differently, I would say Thank you Bush (that What GMA was doing in the congress) for getting syria out of lebanon (even though his ancestors brought syria in).

Very important point right there

It shows and proves that the U.S dont care on little bit about the Lebanese. They think of Lebanon as just a pawn.

But if you want to keep on thanking him, then thank him for supporting Israel in their war on Lebanon.

And by the way, who is killing iraki!!? the american army.. or the terrorist militias themselves who are killing their own people?!!!!! Being occupied does not give militia the right to kill their own people...

The U.S lied about the war.

If they didnt try and decieve so many simple minded people, then 600, 000 Iraqis lives wouldnt be on their hands.

I refute your point about killing their own people. Americans have slaughtered and raped Iraqis. Dont portray them as Angels.

The bulk of the murders are commited by Al-Qaeda. That wouldnt have been possible if they didnt lie to the whole world. It was an unneccesary war.

That is why I hold them responsible for the dead Iraqis

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

And by the way, who is killing iraki!!? the american army.. or the terrorist militias themselves who are killing their own people?!!!!! Being occupied does not give militia the right to kill their own people...

both.
the militias are bad in Iraq.
but yes, the american army is killing at will.
go to the US courts and see the lawsuits on soldiers killing Irakis just for fun.

[Incognito]

Originally Posted by DukeRustfield

There's plenty of evidence and there has been for years that Iran is supplying arms and training and even some personnel to Iraq insurgency. The question is who is authorizing it? But it's been pretty clear that technology has come from Iran. Even the most liberal of journalists will attest to that.

Well just as the US Senate demanded last week, where is this evidence? If the evidence is as transparent as you and Bush claim, why is it so difficult to present this evidence?

Pretty simplistic view of the entire region. So does that make the current leadership in Lebanon American and the opposition Iran? Things are a whole lot more complex than that.

It's a perceptive view of the entire region, the view that ties in with the point of the post ... US vs Iran. Of course each quarrel has their domestic dimensions to it. My point wasn't to highlight the domestic quarrels of each, but to demonstrate how each problem is linked to the quest for regional hegemony.

Meh. If the US and/or Israel launched an attack on Iran, Iran would get upset and there'd be more bombings in Iraq and maybe some other areas. But not much else would happen. Certainly not the doomsday you predicted. Iran has regional power through money and covert military influence. If it "took to the streets" with any forces, they'd just be destroyed. They're far better waiting it out until America leaves and then they can exert their influence more directly.

That is a seriously naive and grosse underestimation of Iran and the consequence of attacking them. Iran would just get upset? A few more bombings in Iraq and maybe some other areas? Please respond to me when you've actually given the case a bit more thought.

I think the latest noise is just a warning, and even if the Iranian President doesn't heed it, I think the religious authority is smart enough to.

Iran's not giving up its nuclear ambitions, and it has the sealed approval of the Ayatollah and the Iranian people. Of course it does not want a war, but another party does, and that's the troubling aspect.

[Moderate American]

Originally Posted by Observer

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

what else can you expect from saudis?

Stay on topic with the thread

[Rye]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Ya sahbé,

The first and last problem lies within us, we lebanese... It is our different definitions to lebanon, our different allegiances, our immaturness, our idolizing to the same leaders since 50 years, etc.. which are giving syria, iran, ksa, egypt, jordan, usa, europe, russia, etc... power on us.

mazbout! 2 questions:

1- what did you (jiu) do about it?
2- who is using extrenal powers? name them pls and what for?

[Observer]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Bush is not a hero at all. but since, each of us lebanese see the interests of lebanon differently, I would say Thank you Bush (that What GMA was doing in the congress) for getting syria out of lebanon (even though his ancestors brought syria in).

And by the way, who is killing iraki!!? the american army.. or the terrorist militias themselves who are killing their own people?!!!!! Being occupied does not give militia the right to kill their own people...

Yeah thank you BUsh for getting syrians out and getting Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, French, Americans the *&^&^% and the *(&(^%^% and the (*&&(*%^^$%$ in.

[3asheq Beirut]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Bush is not a hero at all. but since, each of us lebanese see the interests of lebanon differently, I would say Thank you Bush (that What GMA was doing in the congress) for getting syria out of lebanon (even though his ancestors brought syria in).

And by the way, who is killing iraki!!? the american army.. or the terrorist militias themselves who are killing their own people?!!!!! Being occupied does not give militia the right to kill their own people...

This is nonsense. I wish people would stop defending what America did and pretend like the killing in Iraq has nothing to do with them. Let me give you this scenario. What if a country was to invade the US, destroy its entire infrastructure, then dismantle the entire government from the cabinet to the congress, then disassemble the entire federal and local police force, liquidate the armed forces, and then pit one ethnic group against another by placing explosives on one side and blaming the other. What do you think would happen in the US? Or any other country for that matter.

It is ridiculous that you don't see any American responsibility for what is happening. Sure, the militias bear responsibility for doing a lot of the killing, but how did they get to that point? If America was reduced to ultimate chaos then you could also say that the local gangs and militias would be responsible for what would most assuredly take place, but who would be the ultimately responsible party?

This is of course in addition to the Iraqis directly killed by the US. In addition to the Iraqis tortured, beaten, mamed, and raped. Or did we forget about the Iraqi woman who was raped and burned to death by American soldiers? What about the various Iraqis beaten to death? And those tortured and humiliated in Abu Ghraib? How about the kids and families that were shot by US soldiers? And the entire towns and neighborhoods reduced to rubble? The US is the direct and proximate cause of the chaos to which Iraq has been reduced. Any idiot could have figured out that the US's policy in Iraq would lead to what is taking place today. Unfortunately, many of the planners of this war intended exactly this gruesome bloodletting we are all witnessing today.