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It's fear that keeps Baghdad's peace

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer Hamza Hendawi, Associated Press Writer –

BAGHDAD – The streets are calmer now. The fighting between Shiites and Sunnis has largely ceased. But this is not a sign of normalcy in the Iraqi capital. It's fear that keeps the peace.

Only an estimated 16 percent of the mainly Sunni families forced by Shiite militiamen and death squads to flee their homes have dared to return.

It takes two sides to have a fight, and there's really only one side left in Baghdad after violence and fear turned parts of neighborhoods into ghost towns.

Families that have gone back are sometimes met with spray-painted threats and other forms of intimidation. "Back after a break, the Mahdi Army," is a Shiite militia's slogan — playing off the same words that Iraqi television uses as a lead-in to commercials.

The findings — based on statistics obtained by The Associated Press from U.S. and Iraqi officials as well as AP interviews in key Baghdad neighborhoods in recent weeks — are acknowledged by U.S. military commanders on the ground. And they point to a troubling prospect.

Baghdad has been much calmer since the massacres reached their peak in late 2006 and the first half of 2007. And a U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday that attacks nationwide had fallen to their lowest level since the first months of the war.

In the capital, however, the calm has been achieved in part because the city is now ethnically divided. Shiites predominate. Sunnis have largely fled.

The situation is somewhat similar to Bosnia after the war of the 1990s — years of calm but no lasting political reconciliation after its populations divided into different regions and governments.

"Baghdad has been turned from a mixed city, about half of its population Shiite and the other half Sunni in 2003, into a Shiite city where the Sunni population may be as little as 10 to 15 percent," said Juan Cole, a prominent U.S. expert on Iraq.

No accurate census has been taken since the bloodletting. But Cole's estimates, backed up by AP observations and U.S. statistics, hold troubling implications for the future should Sunnis come back in greater numbers.

A Sunni government employee, Mohammed Abdul-Razzaq, fled his home in the Jihad neighborhood of west Baghdad for majority Sunni Amiriyah after Shiite militiamen threatened to kill him. Iraqi police last year forced out the squatters who had moved into his house, but he has no plans to return.

"Security is still fragile," Abdul-Razzaq said. "I was forced to flee once, and it can happen again. Next time they may kill me."

Most startlingly, the ethnic divides remain even though the Iraqi and U.S. militaries have driven Shiite militiamen and death squads off the streets.

That suggests Sunnis still do not trust Iraq's government to protect them in the long run. Their mistrust could hold the seeds of future bouts of violence, especially as the U.S. military begins to draw down this year.

"The potential for renewed sectarian violence is definitely there," said Capt. Nathan Williams, the U.S. military commander at Hurriyah, a northern Baghdad district that saw the worst sectarian bloodletting. "We believe if it restarts in Hurriyah, it will spread to the rest of the city."

Even more remote is the hope of restoring Baghdad's traditional character as a city where people can live together — though not always in harmony — regardless of faith or ethnicity.

Among the statistics obtained by the AP:

• Only an estimated 50,000 of 300,000 displaced families — or 16 percent — have returned to their Baghdad homes, according to the U.S. military. Most are believed to be Sunnis.

• In Hurriyah, an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 families, most of them Sunnis, fled in 2006 and 2007. Of those, only 648 families — or 16 to 22 percent — have come back since September.

In addition, 350 to 400 of the displaced families have sold or rented their Hurriyah homes, suggesting they intend to stay away forever, said Maj. Hussein al-Qaissy, Hurriyah's Iraqi army commander.

• The violence has virtually emptied parts of the city, particularly on the mainly Sunni western side of the Tigris river. In Amiriyah, for example, 100 of the 252 Shiite families that fled are back. Roughly the same number of Shiite families, 250, fled Khadra, another western Baghdad area; only 70 have returned.

Baghdad's sectarian violence began as early as 2003 but picked up dramatically after suspected Sunni militants blew up a revered Shiite shrine north of the city in 2006. At its peak, dozens of bodies, some decapitated or with execution-style gun wounds, turned up at outlying areas of the city or in the Tigris each day.

Shiite militiamen who led the attacks against the Sunnis are largely thought to have won the sectarian conflict in the capital. The Sunnis, who are generally better off economically than the Shiites, largely fled to Jordan or Syria.

That has given Baghdad a distinctly Shiite character, which becomes obvious during the sect's religious holidays when traditional Shiite banners are hoisted over most of the city.

In Hurriyah, the signs of sectarian division are still stark.

Attacks on Iraqi and U.S. forces have been rare since they rid the neighborhood of Shiite militiamen and death squads and Sunni militants.

But most of the 18 Sunni mosques remain shut or in ruins. Some are now used as sleeping quarters for Iraqi troops, with attached rooms turned into offices.

A recent prayer held in a Sunni mosque to mark a major religious occasion attracted a meager 48 worshippers, according to Iraqi army Maj. Imad Rassoul.

Some returning families have been greeted with threats spray-painted on the walls of their homes, according to Williams, the U.S. Army captain stationed at Hurriyah.

The neighborhood also remains walled off, with access tightly controlled by Iraqi security forces. U.S. and Iraqi officials argue that removing the walls could erode some of the security gains made by allowing militants to move freely.

Resettlement has provoked 10 attacks, one deadly, since September. Half of these, according to Williams, involved families that had not coordinated their return with the Iraqi army as required.

Williams said he believes Hurriyah is now generally safe.

"It's a struggle," said Williams, who along with local tribal leaders recently tried to persuade Hurriyah refugees north of Baghdad to come back. "Our struggle here is to counter misconceptions about security in Hurriyah."

Williams' men go door-to-door to check on the families that returned to Hurriyah, pleading with them to report any intimidation or threats. He also offers grants of up to $3,000 to returning families to start a business.

In a hopeful sign, some of the returning Sunnis in Hurriyah and elsewhere in Baghdad say longtime Shiite neighbors extended a warm welcome.

"They said they could not do anything to help us when the Mahdi Army came to force us out," said Bassem Mahmoud, a 35-year-old father of two, speaking outside his Hurriyah home with his mother next to him. "They said they feared for their lives if they tried to help us."

Omar al-Jibouri, a taxi driver and father of three, said his Shiite neighbors in the Dora district of western Baghdad helped repair his damaged home when he returned a month ago.

"For a whole week after our return," he said, "they kept giving us food."

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We Know that Iraq As we once knew it is finished and some of us accepted that fact already BUT the secterian war is Finishing the population and some militias are cleansing people out of thier homes Which No one can accept...

Any thoughts on this? viable solutions? because what we see on TV Daily sort of makes one lose all hope for a solution...
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honestly i think this is americas dream. thy divided a potentially very powerfull country. unfortunetly us arabs always fall into the trap.
what better way to explain the existance of a jewish state than to show tht people of different religions and ethnicity cant live together, since im not an expert on Iraqi history i wont go into detail but you cant help but feel sad and angry that a country like Iraq had to go through a flithy dictator and now these filthy militias. i hope this doesnt spread to Lebanon(i guess we'r safe since we have no oil).
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It's fear that keeps Baghdad's peace

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer Hamza Hendawi, Associated Press Writer –

BAGHDAD – The streets are calmer now. The fighting between Shiites and Sunnis has largely ceased. But this is not a sign of normalcy in the Iraqi capital. It's fear that keeps the peace.

Only an estimated 16 percent of the mainly Sunni families forced by Shiite militiamen and death squads to flee their homes have dared to return.

It takes two sides to have a fight, and there's really only one side left in Baghdad after violence and fear turned parts of neighborhoods into ghost towns.

Families that have gone back are sometimes met with spray-painted threats and other forms of intimidation. "Back after a break, the Mahdi Army," is a Shiite militia's slogan — playing off the same words that Iraqi television uses as a lead-in to commercials.

The findings — based on statistics obtained by The Associated Press from U.S. and Iraqi officials as well as AP interviews in key Baghdad neighborhoods in recent weeks — are acknowledged by U.S. military commanders on the ground. And they point to a troubling prospect.

Baghdad has been much calmer since the massacres reached their peak in late 2006 and the first half of 2007. And a U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday that attacks nationwide had fallen to their lowest level since the first months of the war.

In the capital, however, the calm has been achieved in part because the city is now ethnically divided. Shiites predominate. Sunnis have largely fled.

The situation is somewhat similar to Bosnia after the war of the 1990s — years of calm but no lasting political reconciliation after its populations divided into different regions and governments.

"Baghdad has been turned from a mixed city, about half of its population Shiite and the other half Sunni in 2003, into a Shiite city where the Sunni population may be as little as 10 to 15 percent," said Juan Cole, a prominent U.S. expert on Iraq.

No accurate census has been taken since the bloodletting. But Cole's estimates, backed up by AP observations and U.S. statistics, hold troubling implications for the future should Sunnis come back in greater numbers.

A Sunni government employee, Mohammed Abdul-Razzaq, fled his home in the Jihad neighborhood of west Baghdad for majority Sunni Amiriyah after Shiite militiamen threatened to kill him. Iraqi police last year forced out the squatters who had moved into his house, but he has no plans to return.

"Security is still fragile," Abdul-Razzaq said. "I was forced to flee once, and it can happen again. Next time they may kill me."

Most startlingly, the ethnic divides remain even though the Iraqi and U.S. militaries have driven Shiite militiamen and death squads off the streets.

That suggests Sunnis still do not trust Iraq's government to protect them in the long run. Their mistrust could hold the seeds of future bouts of violence, especially as the U.S. military begins to draw down this year.

"The potential for renewed sectarian violence is definitely there," said Capt. Nathan Williams, the U.S. military commander at Hurriyah, a northern Baghdad district that saw the worst sectarian bloodletting. "We believe if it restarts in Hurriyah, it will spread to the rest of the city."

Even more remote is the hope of restoring Baghdad's traditional character as a city where people can live together — though not always in harmony — regardless of faith or ethnicity.

Among the statistics obtained by the AP:

• Only an estimated 50,000 of 300,000 displaced families — or 16 percent — have returned to their Baghdad homes, according to the U.S. military. Most are believed to be Sunnis.

• In Hurriyah, an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 families, most of them Sunnis, fled in 2006 and 2007. Of those, only 648 families — or 16 to 22 percent — have come back since September.

In addition, 350 to 400 of the displaced families have sold or rented their Hurriyah homes, suggesting they intend to stay away forever, said Maj. Hussein al-Qaissy, Hurriyah's Iraqi army commander.

• The violence has virtually emptied parts of the city, particularly on the mainly Sunni western side of the Tigris river. In Amiriyah, for example, 100 of the 252 Shiite families that fled are back. Roughly the same number of Shiite families, 250, fled Khadra, another western Baghdad area; only 70 have returned.

Baghdad's sectarian violence began as early as 2003 but picked up dramatically after suspected Sunni militants blew up a revered Shiite shrine north of the city in 2006. At its peak, dozens of bodies, some decapitated or with execution-style gun wounds, turned up at outlying areas of the city or in the Tigris each day.

Shiite militiamen who led the attacks against the Sunnis are largely thought to have won the sectarian conflict in the capital. The Sunnis, who are generally better off economically than the Shiites, largely fled to Jordan or Syria.

That has given Baghdad a distinctly Shiite character, which becomes obvious during the sect's religious holidays when traditional Shiite banners are hoisted over most of the city.

In Hurriyah, the signs of sectarian division are still stark.

Attacks on Iraqi and U.S. forces have been rare since they rid the neighborhood of Shiite militiamen and death squads and Sunni militants.

But most of the 18 Sunni mosques remain shut or in ruins. Some are now used as sleeping quarters for Iraqi troops, with attached rooms turned into offices.

A recent prayer held in a Sunni mosque to mark a major religious occasion attracted a meager 48 worshippers, according to Iraqi army Maj. Imad Rassoul.

Some returning families have been greeted with threats spray-painted on the walls of their homes, according to Williams, the U.S. Army captain stationed at Hurriyah.

The neighborhood also remains walled off, with access tightly controlled by Iraqi security forces. U.S. and Iraqi officials argue that removing the walls could erode some of the security gains made by allowing militants to move freely.

Resettlement has provoked 10 attacks, one deadly, since September. Half of these, according to Williams, involved families that had not coordinated their return with the Iraqi army as required.

Williams said he believes Hurriyah is now generally safe.

"It's a struggle," said Williams, who along with local tribal leaders recently tried to persuade Hurriyah refugees north of Baghdad to come back. "Our struggle here is to counter misconceptions about security in Hurriyah."

Williams' men go door-to-door to check on the families that returned to Hurriyah, pleading with them to report any intimidation or threats. He also offers grants of up to $3,000 to returning families to start a business.

In a hopeful sign, some of the returning Sunnis in Hurriyah and elsewhere in Baghdad say longtime Shiite neighbors extended a warm welcome.

"They said they could not do anything to help us when the Mahdi Army came to force us out," said Bassem Mahmoud, a 35-year-old father of two, speaking outside his Hurriyah home with his mother next to him. "They said they feared for their lives if they tried to help us."

Omar al-Jibouri, a taxi driver and father of three, said his Shiite neighbors in the Dora district of western Baghdad helped repair his damaged home when he returned a month ago.

"For a whole week after our return," he said, "they kept giving us food."

AP IMPACT: It's fear that keeps Baghdad's peace


We Know that Iraq As we once knew it is finished and some of us accepted that fact already BUT the secterian war is Finishing the population and some militias are cleansing people out of thier homes Which No one can accept...

Any thoughts on this? viable solutions? because what we see on TV Daily sort of makes one lose all hope for a solution...
Yes the Sunnites of Baghdad paid a huge price in Iraq, Baghdad used to be 90% Sunnites in 1950. And the shiites militias behind this ethnic cleansing, Mehdi Army(el Mehde bare2 mennon akid), are backed by Iran, they pledge allegiance to Iran. And this is one reason behind my opposition or cautiousness from the Fakih state. They plan to extend their influence on our expense. This also raises Valid fears to the Sunnites Beirutis, they could end up victims like Sunnites of Baghdad.

It's things like these that make people like me say Allah yer7am ayyemak ya Saddam, and it's things like these that drive or force people like me to Say Allah ye7meek ya Sheekh Ousama. Truely disgusting.

Anyway ya TS, as God has said in his Holy Book "Kollon Man 3alayha Fann", I dont care anymore, even if they burn their way through the entire Arab World... I have learned to understand that this world shouldnt be of relevance or importance to us " Wal A5erato 5ayron Wa Abka"... Sadaka Allaho el 3azim.
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Yes the Sunnites of Baghdad paid a huge price in Iraq, Baghdad used to be 90% Sunnites in 1950. And the shiites militias behind this ethnic cleansing, Mehdi Army(el Mehde bare2 mennon akid), are backed by Iran, they pledge allegiance to Iran. And this is one reason behind my opposition or cautiousness from the Fakih state. They plan to extend their influence on our expense. This also raises Valid fears to the Sunnites Beirutis, they could end up victims like Sunnites of Baghdad.

It's things like these that make people like me say Allah yer7am ayyemak ya Saddam, and it's things like these that drive or force people like me to Say Allah ye7meek ya Sheekh Ousama. Truely disgusting.

Anyway ya TS, as God has said in his Holy Book "Kollon Man 3alayha Fann", I dont care anymore, even if they burn their way to the entire Arab World... I have learned to understand that this world shouldnt be of relevance or importance to us " Wal A5erato 5ayron Wa Abka"... Sadaka Allaho el 3azim.
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Keep falling in the same excrement infested cellar guys. Bravo.
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From What I see on TV I can Say that the number of Educated Iraqis living in Iraq is less than 3%, the rest are Tribal Lunatics...Not to mention The Amount of Foreign people on thier soil who can do anything without being caught...However the amount of Educated Lebanese is blocking the way of such tragedies in our Country...I mean Imagine if what is happenig in Lebanon today happens anywhere else like Iraq most probably 50% of the population will be dead in a matter of weeks.
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Yes the Sunnites of Baghdad paid a huge price in Iraq, Baghdad used to be 90% Sunnites in 1950. And the shiites militias behind this ethnic cleansing, Mehdi Army(el Mehde bare2 mennon akid), are backed by Iran, they pledge allegiance to Iran. And this is one reason behind my opposition or cautiousness from the Fakih state. They plan to extend their influence on our expense. This also raises Valid fears to the Sunnites Beirutis, they could end up victims like Sunnites of Baghdad.

It's things like these that make people like me say Allah yer7am ayyemak ya Saddam, and it's things like these that drive or force people like me to Say Allah ye7meek ya Sheekh Ousama. Truely disgusting.

Anyway ya TS, as God has said in his Holy Book "Kollon Man 3alayha Fann", I dont care anymore, even if they burn their way through the entire Arab World... I have learned to understand that this world shouldnt be of relevance or importance to us " Wal A5erato 5ayron Wa Abka"... Sadaka Allaho el 3azim.
Can you tell me which Faction in Iran is Backing the Mehdi army? is it the Guard or the Religious leaders or Ahmedi Nijad and his bunch? All extremist Shiite militias claim they are in Favor of Iran but who really knows if they are being backed by the government or someone else...It ain't clear enough besides most of these guys even if they are backed by one side or another...They are Undisciplined basically they do whatever they want... for example the Supreme Shiite leader today is Sistani then comes Khaminei and both of them released religious Fatwas against these acts and made Takfir on who ever does this to sunnah specifically , bass ofcourse the Tribal Thugs will not listen that's is because secterianism is in thier blood....
But ofcourse we ain't saying Iran is not responsible They surely are responsible and it isn't aceptablethat they fight thier war with USA on Iraqi soil.

Saddams days were much better yes But what the hell does Oussama Have to do with this? He is the Man that caused the Death count amongst the Sunnah to rise dramatically because he is responsible for blowing up that "Shiite Only" Makam thing..he blew it up twice so they started killing sunnah everywhere because of this stupid act....Another thing he does is blow up Pilgrims in Karbala ..... Basically the Sunnah of Iraq are Stuck between Americans, Extremist Shiite Tribal militants, Al Qaeda with all its Glory... And they are the weakest in Iraq.

and BTW don't get too Romantic It is a Fact that all shall perish but There are Responsabilities you can't just turn into a defeatist (BTW Hariri will not help you because he himself needed help in may7).
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Can you tell me which Faction in Iran is Backing the Mehdi army? is it the Guard or the Religious leaders or Ahmedi Nijad and his bunch? All extremist Shiite militias claim they are in Favor of Iran but who really knows if they are being backed by the government or someone else...It ain't clear enough besides most of these guys even if they are backed by one side or another...They are Undisciplined basically they do whatever they want... for example the Supreme Shiite leader today is Sistani then comes Khaminei and both of them released religious Fatwas against these acts and made Takfir on who ever does this to sunnah specifically , bass ofcourse the Tribal Thugs will not listen that's is because secterianism is in thier blood....
But ofcourse we ain't saying Iran is not responsible They surely are responsible and it isn't aceptablethat they fight thier war with USA on Iraqi soil.

Saddams days were much better yes But what the hell does Oussama Have to do with this? He is the Man that cause the Death count amongst the Sunnah to rise dramatically because he is responsible for blow up that Shiite Only Makam thing..he blew it up twice so they started killing sunnah everywhere because if this stupid act....Another thing he does is blow up Pilgrims in Karbala ..... Basically the Sunnah of Iraq are Stuck between Americans, Extremist Shiite Tribal militants, Al Qaeda with all its Glory... And they are the weakest in Iraq.

and BTW don't get too Romantic It is a Fact that all shall perish but There are Responsabilities you can't just turn into a defeatist (BTW Hariri will not help you because he himself needed help in may7).
I know they are victims of Al Qaeda as well, I agree with the bold part. I meant such acts push you to the Extreme. Regarding Iran, their support for Sader and MA is quite obvious, no need to dwell on that.
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I know they are victims of Al Qaeda as well, I agree with the bold part. I meant such acts push you to the Extreme. Regarding Iran, their support for Sader and MA is quite obvious, no need to dwell on that.
Ofcourse they are Backing up that Retarded Son and The Mahdi Army because they are fighting a War against America and preserving the Iranian Oil in south Iraq so they get a better price to negotiate on with America ...Bass ma Darouri Ykouno 3am Bi2ouloulon Hajmou el Sunnah Ya3ni all Religious Fatwas by Sistani and Khaminei Show otherwise ... It is clear that these militia Are Acting on thier own when it comes to fighting against the sunnah of Iraq ... now there may be some fanatics in Iraq and Iran telling them to go and kill sunnah or Christians or Kurds or whatever but that does not mean the Government of Iran or Iraq is encouraging it...
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Ok So let's Not dive too deep into religious Conspiracies because with people like this guy you get How Crazy these Militants are:

YouTube - ‫هل هذا هو المهدي المنتظر !!ØŸ‬‎

If every Iraqi militant claims what he claims then no wonder this is happening, Let's concentrate more on the Normal people who are sunnah and Shiite that are stuck between these retards and getting killed in the process ...
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The american invasion of Iraq turned out to be a huge failure.
The excuse of "weapons of mass destruction" turned to be a big joke , the skood missiles armed with chemical war heads , Saterfield and bush talked about where not to be found . Maybe the only WMD found was the foot of Motazar Zaydi smashing bush dignity to the ground , the foot that made a explosion no chemical weapons can do.

WMD is only a excuse to invade iraq . The oil "the world most important material" existing in iraq can last for 50 years , wars are made to control it perhaps Sudan is next on the list , this invasion will satisfy the followings needs :

1- First the all to throw Sadam regime which turned to be a heavy weight on both Usa and arab leaders

2- Usa wanted to paint a glorious image in the world about herself being a country that support freedom of speech and care about people ho seeks freedom and , this time its was the community of shiites and kurdes suffering from Sadam regime for 50 years.

3- Control the oil the essence of life ; and open the iraqi market to americans companies

4- Blackmail Russia and china , ho control the oil control the internationnal policy

5- A clear message to any arab leader ho dare to oppose the american wile , try to cross us and get ready to be hanged like Sadam

6- Prepare the region for the New middle east , where the region is divided into religious and ethnic states fighting each other while Usa plays the part of judge and referee , these states would be Kurdistan , Shiites federals and sunni federals. This division which chenni was planning to , will surely relief Isreal and encourage her to continue the plans of colonization of west bank and the jewdism of Jerulasm , maybe also destroy Alqsa and rebuild the monument of Sleiman.
The palestinians will suffer alot , perhaps lose their dream to establish a state governed in Quds.

7- Fight "terrorism" and drive their machinery into wars and drink the blood of the iraqi people , because the american army haven't got into action since Vietnam war , and they need a battlefield to test all kind of weapons and technologies so improvement can be made. The enemy would be the extremists sunnis belonging to Alkaiida , Iraq will be a sponge sucking all extremists from saudi, jordan , syria , yemen , etc... drive them to apply their Jihad in iraq and relief the regimes of moderates arab leaders. In their eyes its like cutting the cancer from these countries and cure it in iraq.

8- Destroy the image of Ousama Bin Laden ho was in the eyes of sunnis the leader , the saver , which greatly threatened many regimes , by sticking the label of terrorism and by showing the world the images of cars bombs and extremists like Zarkawi , albagdadi ,.... they will win the media war and destroy Bin laden

9- Send a message to the other part of "terrorism" created by the resistances ( either lebanease , palestinian ) that they are next on the list , the wars of 2006 and 2009 are the best proofs.

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