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Originally Posted by Abu Ruman  Buddy, its very very simple: you dont have evidence. Dead end.
There is nothing opaque about this. If you dont have proof, then its a shut-case.
I'd really like to open a thread on the moon-landing now. This is very exciting. The proponents of the moon-landing hoax theory also make 'scientific' arguments, suggesting [logically speaking] how no one could have landed on the moon.
I can post it if you want. |
Wanna proof ?
Here we go. The administration had an advance warning of the plot but did nothing to prevent it. I am NOT saying that the Administration did it. They were complacent AND FIRST AND FOREMOST IN THE KNOW - isn't that enough ?
Transcription of telephone conversation on August 4, 2006
From
Israeli Embassy, Washington D.C. Telephone Number (202) 364-5581
To
unidentified individual at CIA, Washington D.C., Telephone Number (703) 482-1102
Commenced 0913 hrs, concluded 0931 hrs.
Speaker A Amir Maimon - - Minister-Counselor and Head of Political Department , Embassy of Israel, Washington, D.C.
Speaker B Unidentified individual located at CIA headquarters, Langley, VA
A: We need to discuss the last major episode in 2001. There is not so much for us to lose if any of your people get this out?
B: Everything went into the burn bags.
A: We should hope so but there are always those who like to make copies?
B: Not in this case. Believe me, they cleaned everything out.
A: It wouldn?t look that bad for us because we did keep you courant, didn't we? You know you had everything in advance of the date.
B: Yes, we did but it's all gone now. That was part of the deal, after all. Everything went.
A: But we still have copies, you know. I have reviewed these and believe me, it doesn?t make us look bad. We kept you right up to the mark on what we were doing. And you certainly knew almost to the minute when, where and how it was happening. Our hands are clean but yours?.
B: We passed everything along, everything. Who knows, someone on your side might have leaked something and then the media bastards would be all over us, not to mention the White House.
A: We're interested to know why someone with you hasn't gone to the press?
B: It was highly compartmented and on a need to know. And anyone with this knowledge would be terminated with the usual extreme prejudice if they even hinted at it. The recent business with the Brits is pure circus but the White House loves it?
A: It's so blatantly stupid that it will fall apart of its own weight. The Atta attacks are believable because they carried them out. There was the proof, right on television but the story about the bombs? Who will believe that one? And we had no knowledge of this and if there had been a real ongoing probe, for sure we would have heard all about it. And you? Did you hear anything?
B: After the fact and we agree: no one really believes this. It will go away?
A: That's usual. But on the earlier business, remember we kept you right up to the mark. And don't believe that the Bush people wouldn't throw all of you into the sea over this if it ever came out. You would say you warned them and they would deny it. And where is the proof? You burned it. And where are you then? They will toss a sop to public opinion and sack the lot of you.
B: The DCI kept his word and his silence and they have no reason to push this any further. God knows what it might turn up. There could have been other warnings?
A: There were. From the Germans, the French, Putin, Egypt, Morocco and God knows who else. They are bloody lucky it didn't blow up in their face. But I can repeat that we are not on the stove this time. You know, anti-Israeli feelings are running high now and the public will be ready to believe anything bad. I don?t want to have to explain that of course we knew what they were up to. After all, we have the right to defend our citizens against terrorism, but you all knew what we were doing and we kept telling you what was coming. You know that, don't deny it.
B: I'm certainly not and I assure you, there will be no trouble from there. The
White House will not be able to deny we told them and we will not be able to deny you told us?.
A: In plenty of time to stop it. We could never understand why they did nothing but on the other hand, it suited them to have excuses, didn't it?
B: Excuses? For what?
A: Reasons, it should have been reasons. Now, they had an excuse for their stupid wars.
B: You did benefit from removing Iraq from the game, didn't you?
A: Of course, but this thing was never thought out and look at where things are now. It?s going to be a disaster for all of us. Of course if we win in Lebanon and gain the buffer zone and frighten Syria into minding its business, all and good but if not, this is a huge cancer that can grow.
RETROSPECTIVE
In January of 2000, a meeting of high-level al Qaeda personnel took place in Kuala Lumpur. According to the official CIA report, this is where the attacks on the USS Cole and World Trade Center were put forward.. The Kuala Lumpur meeting was monitored by Malaysian intelligence at the request of the CIA. The CIA was able to determine the identities of the participants, if not the entire agenda. Among those attending: were Ramzi Binalshibh, a student in Germany who then returned there and supposedly organized the Hamburg cell led by Atta, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. They subsequently entered the United States and moved around the country freely for 18 months, before they successfully hijacked the American Airlines commercial aircraft that was flown into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001,
Alhmihdhar's story is especially incredible because he left and reentered the United States at least twice more, once traveling to Germany to meet Binalshibh, and once going to Yemen, where the CIA believes he helped prepare the bombing of the USS Cole. Although he was identified as a suspect in the Cole bombing soon after that attack, the CIA never told the FBI or the INS anything about either him or Alhazmi until late August, 2001 -- after he had reentered the United States yet again. This proved to be far too late to apprehend Alhazmi.
Further the CIA also did not inform the German authorities about its suspicions regarding Binalshibh., where they could have connected him to the other members of the "Hamburg cell" that included the WTC suicide pilots, Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi.
The CIA did monitor Binalshibh long enough to connect him to Atta, because CIA had Mohamed Atta under surveillance in Hamburg starting in January 2000. This surveillance continued until Atta applied for and received a U.S. entry visa from the U.S. embassy in Berlin (on May 18, 2000) and flew to the United States out of Prague in June.
In October of 2000, two Mossad cells of six Egyptian and Yemeni- born Jews, started training at a secret base in Israel's Negev Desert with the purpose of penetrating Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, both in Europe (where they were known to be functioning in Hamburg, Germany) and the United States where a known bin Laden cell had been identified as being organized. It is generally known that the Mossad has penetrated every Arab and Muslim organization and would have had little problem in finding any number of fanatics to carry out a suicide mission in the belief they were serving Allah. Indeed, recent news reports contended that not all of the hijackers knew their mission would end in death.
One team flew to Amsterdam and were under the control of Mossad's Europe Station. This is based at Schipol Airport within the El Al complex. They later made contact in Hamburg with Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker on September 11.
The second group flew directly to New York. From there they traveled south to Florida and infiltrated the Bin Laden organization. In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they identified the two former Hamburg students and later terror pilots, Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi. The Mossad team lived in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock.
On August 17th, 2001, the Mossad team in Europe flew with some of the Hamburg terrorists into Boston, a month before the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.. Mossad agents had learned from the CIA that the leader of this group, Hanan Serfati, had rented several dwellings. "One of Serfati's apartments was located on the corner of 701st St. and 21st Ave. [sic] in Hollywood, right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi.", The chief Israeli agent was residing near the Hollywood post office where the terrorists had a mailbox. The Mossad also had its sights on Atta?s accomplice Khalid al-Midhar, with whom the CIA was also familiar, but allowed to run free. The Mossad team kept Atta under continuous surveillance while he was attending flight school in Florida in 2000 and early 2001. The initial penetration was followed by these agents, acting on specific orders from the Mossad, assisting the Atta people in developing their plans to attack ?important American government and financial centers.? The Mossad agents were fully conversant with the plans of this group but, although asked to participate, declined to do so, claiming they were engaged in other, ?more important? activities. The Mossad warned their American counterparts several times about the terrorists, especially about al-Midhar.
The Mossad team had established an attack on the U.S. was "imminent". It reported this to its Tel Aviv controller through the Israeli Embassy in Washington using a system of (at that time) secure communications. The Mossad groups secret communications with the Israeli Embassy in Washington and Mossad units in Holland had been breached by DoD experts working with the NSA. The Central Intelligence Agency also was involved in this interdiction One way for the CIA to request assistance from the Mossad to keep an eye on, or attempt to penetrate the Atta group without itself violating the ban on activities inside the United States. An allied spy agency could violate American law on the CIA's behalf, and watch the suspect without needing to involve the FBI or any other domestic American agency, because the CIA was extremely jealous of its perceived rivals and kept a great deal of otherwise very important information strictly private.
On August 24, 2001, the head of the Israeli Mossad reported the imminence of an Arab attack against American targets to the Israeli Embassy and the Mossad connections inside the CIA, and a similar report was made by the same agency on September 7, 2001 and provided the United States with a list of 19 potential terrorists, whom the Mossad believed were planning an imminent attack within the United States. At least four of the names on this list later turned up again as four of the 19 alleged Sept. 11 hijackers. On August. 23, 2001, the Israeli intelligence service Mossad presented to its American counterpart a list of names of 19 identified Muslim terrorists who were then living in the United States and were planning to carry out an attack by hijacked commercial aircraft against specific, listed targets in Washington, D.C. in less than a month probably the second week in September? According to a highly-classified CIA report on this issue, Mossad agents in the United States, working with the knowledge of the FBI and the CIA, had followed four of the 19 hijackers, including Almihdhar., and in Hollywood, Florida, had penetrated the group using agents fluent in Arabic and born in Arab countries.
According to the CIA (and subsequent FBI internal, and highly classified, reports,) Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells which had penetrated said alleged terrorist groups with their own, Arab-speaking agents
In early September, 2001, Mossad Chief Efraim Halevy sent a warning to the CIA of the possibility of such an attack. The warning was noted and acknowledged. But the then-CIA chief George Tenet has described it as "too non-specific." The FBI was also informed. Halevy sent a second alert to the CIA that reached Washington on September 7.
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