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[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Malleability does not come because once can view it under different light or gaze at the laws from a different perspective. Everything is relative, but not versatile. Let me ask you this. How can a law that is god ordained be prone to change? If its god ordained then its infallible. And if it changes, the laws cease to be god ordained since this will put the perfection of said deity under question. This hole tabasco sauce doesnt deal with logic and rational. So i thank you for not jamming god into the argument. I think you knew that doing so would have lessened the strength of your argument.

But im not going to be cheap and confront you solely with this weak point. Ill discuss the Shariaa as a human innovation. As a human innovation, and as an applicable codex of law, can you give me an example of it conforming to changing human morals and understanding of the world? Can you please give me Islam's version of our solar system? Has slavery not been abolished by the infringement of foreign values? Not by dictation of shariaa?

The sharia is composed of Sunna of God, which are the verses and laws of the Quran, and the Sunna of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) or "A'hadith". These are not prone to change. Some of these laws are not clear for the public to directly understand. These require interpretations from men of knowledge and experience. We call these interpretations "Ijtihad". The interpretations are the one subject to change, not the laws themselves.

[fidelio]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Malleability does not come because once can view it under different light or gaze at the laws from a different perspective. Everything is relative, but not versatile. Let me ask you this. How can a law that is god ordained be prone to change? If its god ordained then its infallible. And if it changes, the laws cease to be god ordained since this will put the perfection of said deity under question. This hole tabasco sauce doesnt deal with logic and rational. So i thank you for not jamming god into the argument. I think you knew that doing so would have lessened the strength of your argument.

I personally do not consider the Sharia as a holy dogma under which all humans must take shelter. I was simply referring to the changes that human interpretations can make around this body of laws and i deemed it positive for the enhancement of the applicability of the Sharia in the 21st century.
The qualitative judgment of the Sharia is not for me to make. I don't have the academic skills to do that.

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

But im not going to be cheap and confront you solely with this weak point. Ill discuss the Shariaa as a human innovation. As a human innovation, and as an applicable codex of law, can you give me an example of it conforming to changing human morals and understanding of the world? Can you please give me Islam's version of our solar system? Has slavery not been abolished by the infringement of foreign values? Not by dictation of shariaa?

I can't really cite examples simply because i don't know any of them. I'm merely stating my mind from a simple pagan point of view. But here's the thing; People of the Muslim faith are supposed to live under the Sharia law and most of them have living under that law ever since the Prophet Muhammad made his revolution. Did their lifestyle change from Medina to Modern times? of course it did. But the morals and values are more or less the same and that's why i do consider the Sharia to be "applicable to all eternity, Midst wildly changing social foundations and understanding of the world."
Until further notice of course.

[Frisbeetarian]

The sharia is composed of Sunna of God, which are the verses and laws of the Quran, and the Sunna of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) or "A'hadith". These are not prone to change. Some of these laws are not clear for the public to directly understand. These require interpretations from men of knowledge and experience. We call these interpretations "Ijtihad". The interpretations are the one subject to change, not the laws themselves.

When you interpret it differently, wouldnt you be changing the law?

[hannaalsayssa]

how lovely

the nominal a al mode lebanese wahhabis support the ekhwan bi maser who SUPPORTS HA and HAMAS

bass be lebanon gheir koussa ( fe 3enna feress, majous, 3ebad al saleeb,crusaders,etc.....), they will support sa3doun and indirectly israel.
yet they call themselves sharia lovers...
walla 3ajab 3ajab ma ba3dou 3ajab.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Saladin

The sharia is composed of Sunna of God, which are the verses and laws of the Quran, and the Sunna of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) or "A'hadith". These are not prone to change. Some of these laws are not clear for the public to directly understand. These require interpretations from men of knowledge and experience. We call these interpretations "Ijtihad". The interpretations are the one subject to change, not the laws themselves.

which lately these men are the likes of

ben laden
zawahiri
our juzu
omar bakri
abou hedassa
wa jamee3 al abawatt LOL

god help egypt it has no place to go but down, from delfet la ta7et al mezzrab.....QANDAHAR HERE WE COMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

how lovely

the nominal a al mode lebanese wahhabis support the ekhwan bi maser who SUPPORTS HA and HAMAS

bass be lebanon gheir koussa ( fe 3enna feress, majous, 3ebad al saleeb,crusaders,etc.....), they will support sa3doun and indirectly israel.
yet they call themselves sharia lovers...
walla 3ajab 3ajab ma ba3dou 3ajab.

You still insist on considering all Sunna wahhabis. Anyway, your opinion has no weight whatsoever, if the Sunna bother you so much you could always bounce your head to the wall or simply leave lebanon for good.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by fidelio

I can't really cite examples simply because i don't know any of them. I'm merely stating my mind from a simple pagan point of view. But here's the thing; People of the Muslim faith are supposed to live under the Sharia law and most of them have living under that law ever since the Prophet Muhammad made his revolution. Did their lifestyle change from Medina to Modern times? of course it did. But the morals and values are more or less the same and that's why i do consider the Sharia to be "applicable to all eternity, Midst wildly changing social foundations and understanding of the world."
Until further notice of course.

Wrong, after the prophet died, Muslims were divided and they're Shariaa laws went down the drain. There's not a single country on earth where the laws of God are applied as they should be. Each takes what he likes, interprets what he likes, and applies what he likes.

If you want to talk Shariaa during the prophet's time, you'd have to take the prophet himself as an example of how to apply the rules of God. First rule is no compulsion, that's not applied anywhere.

The real interpretations of Islam and the proper laws of God will only be applied after the comeback. Till then batteekh ykasser ba3do...

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Saladin

You still insist on considering all Sunna wahhabis. Anyway, your opinion has no weight whatsoever, if the Sunna bother you so much you could always bounce your head to the wall or simply leave lebanon for good.

mini juzu .to syria or you have a special destination in mind.

what bothers me are the wahhabis, salafis, radicals, terrorists lovers, jihadist apologists, etc.....

WHAT REMAINS ARE WELCOME TO STAY IN LEBANON.........the others let them keshou 3end al s3oud.....

3a shaklo shaksheklo.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Saladin

The sharia is composed of Sunna of God, which are the verses and laws of the Quran, and the Sunna of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) or "A'hadith". These are not prone to change. Some of these laws are not clear for the public to directly understand. These require interpretations from men of knowledge and experience. We call these interpretations "Ijtihad". The interpretations are the one subject to change, not the laws themselves.

Say that again? Hadith isn't prone to change? lol What does 'hadith' mean? Lots of it is complete rubbish.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

mini juzu .to syria or you have a special destination in mind.

what bothers me are the wahhabis, salafis, radicals, terrorists lovers, jihadist apologists, etc.....

WHAT REMAINS ARE WELCOME TO STAY IN LEBANON.........the others let them keshou 3end al s3oud.....

3a shaklo shaksheklo.

Who is asking for your permission here? Ya 5ayye we are all wahhabis, salafis terrorists lovers. It's best that you don't come back to lebanon.