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Ya3ne you love being a sectarian extremist who hates other sects to death?
I believe my sect is superior to all other sects shou lakan.
We created Lebanon, it's ours, the rest are visitors / invaders.
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Sectarianism springs from ignorance. Not seeing humans as equals is a sign of extreme ignorance and barbarism which comes from religions and false indoctrinations by retards and politicians. The more irgnorantly religious they become, the more you want to stay away from them. Nothing is more terrifying than blind followers of mortal deities. Hail Lebanese Atheism, the path to the God of humanity. At least there's an agreement there that we all come from apes...

The Lebanese are the most sectarian on planet earth because they're a bunch of ignorant fanatics.

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what do you like about it ? please elaborate more
It probably empowers him over others lol...

The day that system was created was the day we were destined to damnation. This is what happens when you 'believe' in a colonizer/occupier.
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I believe my sect is superior to all other sects shou lakan.
We created Lebanon, it's ours, the rest are visitors / invaders.
Some are Arabs some are Phoenecians, others are Persians, Turks, Crusades and Crescades; but they all look similar and have same family names for a strange unscientific reason

Btw, do people from your sect have better hair than those from mine? And if I convert, what will happen to my skin? Would it turn from Shiaa skin to Maronite skin?
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Sectarianism springs from ignorance. Not seeing humans as equals is a sign of extreme ignorance and barbarism which comes from religions and false indoctrinations by retards and politicians. The more irgnorantly religious they become, the more you want to stay away from them. Nothing is more terrifying than blind followers of mortal deities. Hail Lebanese Atheism, the path to the God of humanity. At least there's an agreement there that we all come from apes...

The Lebanese are the most sectarian on planet earth because they're a bunch of ignorant fanatics.

It probably empowers him over others lol...

The day that system was created was the day we were destined to damnation. This is what happens when you 'believe' in a colonizer/occupier.
EVERY CHRISTIAN in Lebanon if not the Middle East feels the same way as me, and if they say the opposite they are lying to your face.
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Some are Arabs some are Phoenecians, others are Persians, Turks, Crusades and Crescades; but they all look similar and have same family names for a strange unscientific reason
Same family names? Chamoun, Frem, Saliba, etc are Syriac names not Arab names.

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Btw, do people from your sect have better hair than those from mine? And if I convert, what will happen to my skin? Would it turn from Shiaa skin to Maronite skin?
We look different to you, speak different, dress different, drink and eat different to you, that my dear is sufficient distinction.
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EVERY CHRISTIAN in Lebanon if not the Middle East feels the same way as me, and if they say the opposite they are lying to your face.
Only those like you :D

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Same family names? Chamoun, Frem, Saliba, etc are Syriac names not Arab names.
Chamoun is also a Mulsim family name. And Saliba is Arabic. Which leaves us with Frem, is that related to cars? :D

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We look different to you, speak different, dress different, drink and eat different to you, that my dear is sufficient distinction.
No, not sufficient, all that you've mentioned here is based on 'choices'. I could wear speak eat and drink anything anytime to become someone else. However, you can't change your genes to resemble our splendid creation

You're joking right? :D Multiple user? :D Dry Ice? Wallah zalmino?
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it's due to our school systems, hint: schools who are run by religious groups work wonders for repressive identity indoctrination..

then the clergy does absolutly nothing constructive on her apart from tending to the already instilled phobic tendencies of the youth who graduate from its system

then as adults we got leaders who identify themselves as leaders of a community

and last but not least, this brainwashing process leaves each community wide open to be pulled left and right by external detractor 'patron' countries of the same sect.

prestto, u have now just been branded with a burning iron in one of lebanon's esteemed cattle herds hehe
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We Educated Muslims don't even consider ourselves a sect, Thus I ain't sectarian and I choose where I stand no does that for me.
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I’m really interested in getting some perspectives on this defining element of Lebanese culture: Sectarian identity. I don’t mean political here, I mean social and individual identity. Even though it’s a sociologically fascinating topic, I haven’t seen a lot of discussion on it in this forum.

So why do Lebanese identify so much with their sectarian identity?

It’s not about faith or religious dogma. I never hear anyone in Lebanon say things like: The issue of the transfiguration of the wine sacrament to the physical blood of Jesus is fundamental to me which is why I so closely hold to my Catholic identity!

It’s not about tribalism or clanism because these usually constitute groups that have common blood lineage, reside in defined geographic areas, and have inter-twined family and neighbourly bonds. This does not apply because of the wide geographic distribution and diverse genealogy of people from the same sect in Lebanon.

It’s not about race or ethnicity because these cut across all sects. And there are no Shiite, Maronite, or Druze gene sequences, despite what some people think!!

It’s certainly not about political ideology, or personal philosophy. Otherwise, people would be choosing the sect they wish to belong to (irrespective of the one they were born into) after careful consideration of its belief structure and policies, This rarely happens in Lebanon.

It’s not about social or cultural tradition because the full range from extreme conservatism to extreme liberalism exists in all the sects, though in slightly different proportions.

So what the heck is it about?

What makes this phenomenon even more puzzling is that for many Lebanese, their family’s sect was determined by a chance of history. We all know how Lebanese families historically converted back and forth between sects for a variety of mostly non religious reasons. During the Ottoman period, tens of thousands converted from Christianity to Islam to avoid higher taxes, while tens of thousands converted the other way round to avoid being drafted in the Ottoman army. A hundred years later, their ancestors were killing each other at check points based on those coincidentally determined religious affiliations!!

So what gives?


Honestly my country is before anything. Like 3assi 7ellani says b7i2ilak watanak deenak! :)


But to answer your question, well what is it? Most sects in Lebanon today are people who were either:

A.) Persecuted in (in Lebanon) the past for their religious beliefs
Ex. Christians and Shittes by the Turkish.

B.) People who escaped their land to practice religion freely in Lebanon.
Ex. Christians and Druze.

C.) And people who were mistreated by the majority religion ruling at the time.
Ex. Christian/French rule led to fewer Druze and Sunni power. (With the help of the French)
Ex. Increase in Sunni and Druze power led to decrease in Christian power. (With the help of the Turks)

So basically these sects have been always fighting some sort of invader or someone who has oppressed them. Plus ne7na el Lebnaniye we all want to be in charge of everything. And ma tinsoo that most the followers of the different sects live around each other, ex. Shi3a & Christian in the South because of their persecution by the Turks.

You said: It’s not about tribalism or clanism because these usually constitute groups that have common blood lineage, reside in defined geographic areas, and have inter-twined family and neighborly bonds.

Well all of the za3eems in Lebanon have put other family members in power. The Gemayls, Hariris, Jumblatts and so on.
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I believe my sect is superior to all other sects shou lakan.
We created Lebanon, it's ours, the rest are visitors / invaders.
I believe you have an inferiority complex...if someone knows they are superior they do not need to state it, because they are confident. But it seems like your trying to convince yourself :)

Pity the Nation!!!!! Lebanon is superior to all sects, walaw ;)

I stated a fact, you stated an opinion :)
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