la femme libanaise: une citoyenne 2nde classe??????????????

[mount_amel]

I do not see any discrimination to women in a sense of inferiority.
The problem is culture. we have different culture in lebanon , do u remember ???
Even in the USA ,women carries her husband's family name .. would you call this a discrimination ? However , they are debating this issue and not considering it a disrmiantion against women .. its a matter of breaking the traditions !!!!
Its an sbsolute cultural social issue.
For example :
let us assume that Lebgirl got married to a sirilanki man .. She will be called Ms Shijdisidddi ..
Her children will hold the family name of the father , and since we dont have such kind of family names in lebanon , they (her children) will be refered as the sirilankians for ever ...
Despite of the fact that will make them more or less patriotic , the children are sirilank's in blood. Why this ?
When asking you where are you from ? your answer will be your father's birth place , or your family's original city .. right oir wrong .. ok i live in USA and when asking me where r u from i will not tell them bloomfield hills .. i would say i am from saida ..
when asking a sirilanki where r u from ? i assure you he would answer from shdhejhehefhefhe in sirilanka and not from jonieh lebanon .. why ? bec its thier father's origin ...

so my dear friends , culture plays a role .. i like lebanon bec we all have our deya3 .. my family almost owes a day3a heheh .. and so to my other friends , and if i meet someone and know his family name i can tell where he is from ?
But if i am asking Lebgirl child , what is your family name ? and he answers Shijdisidddi .. man i will be shocked .....

[PhoenixResurrection]

well your example is erronous, In USA women have the choice to keep their family name when they wed OR to change it and have their husband family name.
THis is a tradition and irrelevant to the topic discussed.

your statement "the children will not be so faithfull to thier mom's origin country" is false and discriminating.
This leb law is in complete violate of UDHR and Women's rights. In all democratic countries, the mother automatically grant the citizenship to their kids!

So Don' try to justify an archaic patriarchal law just because you too are patriarchal and share this limited view on women. It won't make you right in front of all international Laws.

[Fragrance of Roses]

My husband was born in a Latin country, and he was given his mom's last name eventhough he is Lebanese. When a woman carries a baby for nine months and nourishes the baby with everything she's got in her body and then she gives birth to this baby that she cares for entirely for the rest of her life, don't tell me that the father is entitled to him more than the mother is. The world must change, and even in the U.S. the law is discriminatory. Only the mother should bestow her identity on her kids cause she is the one who carried them and cared for them like no dad does... I know I am speaking in general non-scientific terms, but this is my opinion.
P.S. In Iran, the woman keeps her last name when she gets married, and does not change it whatsoever!!!

[PhoenixResurrection]

Originally Posted by Serenity

2) a mother does not have the right to open a joint bank account with her minor kids without having the husband as a coholder, whereas it is not the same for the father.

Serenity you are RIGHT about this point.
I asked some friends in teh banking field and It is a confirmed information.
NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF.

ANOTHER PROOF that 15years these clowns have been in power and they Didn't abolish such discrimation laws.

I guess a thread should be open to address the violation of Women's rights inlebanon.. It will definitly be a longggg thread...

[lebgirl]

Yaane mount Amel,
shou bedde elllak!! what an example hehe !!!!!! eno shou , 3am tetmaskhar 3al srilankiyeh??? these mentalities in Lebanon should really change! we as Lebanese view those people as inferior to us (srilankans, philippines etc) just because they come work in Lebanon...
anyways I got a little out of the topic, bes both Abir and Phoenix have given you a GREAT answer to your claim...
you should read well what they said...and try to understand... It is obvious that you still live in a traditional society where people are use to certain traditions (like Saida)..this is why we in Lebanon are still a third world country...still far from attaining fulkl democracy because before we can attain it, the minds of people will have to change...

[Lebanon alone in my heart]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

let us assume that Lebgirl got married to a sirilanki man .. She will be called Ms Shijdisidddi ..
Her children will hold the family name of the father , and since we dont have such kind of family names in lebanon , they (her children) will be refered as the sirilankians for ever ...

There is nothing wrong with being from Srilanka!

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Despite of the fact that will make them more or less patriotic , the children are sirilank's in blood.

They would have LEBANESE BLOOD in them too cos their mother would be lebanese!!!!!

Originally Posted by mount_amel

When asking you where are you from ? your answer will be your father's birth place , or your family's original city .. right oir wrong ..

Wrong! In a civilized country like ITALY you would say you are from the city you were born in regardless where your mother or father are from!! This is the way it should be.

Originally Posted by mount_amel

But if i am asking Lebgirl child , what is your family name ? and he answers Shijdisidddi .. man i will be shocked .....

You will get over it! and u will get used to it. The US has all kinds of different last names (french, italian, english, german,african...) and they got used to it!

And to those who think that the children will feel belonging more to their father's country or city, I will give you my example (although both my parents are lebanese) I feel I am from my mother's day3a and have no connection whatsoever with my father's one! Sorry to disappoint you but your theory is not at all accurate.

[Lebanese_N_Proud]

How about neither men or women marry foreigners....That could be another solution....there's plenty of Lebanese out there

[Lebanese_Freedom]

there's plenty of Lebanese out there, i love my aussie girl

Yeah your right just not for me lol

[coralie]

Originally Posted by PhoenixResurrection

These discrimination laws have been revoked and annulled years ago!!!!

phoenix ur wrong those laws still exist i know that cause i have a problem to have a bank sharing acount with my minor kids only the father can do so . and yes women have to get a pass permit from her husband to be able to travel even in consulate they ask an othorisation written paper from the husband to give the married woman a visa ! and even at the airport she doesnt have the right to travel with her kids without a official othorisation of the father , few years ago i went to make leb passport for my kids as we only have the frensh one i saw my self infront of a emplyee telling me in a verry impolite way "rou7i jibi jaouzik ou ta3i enti ma elik hak totolbi passport la el wled" i was so furious i left and never came back ... thats whymykids and i dont hold the lebanese passport and use only the french to travel its more respectful for me at least , i dont like the feeling to be inferior .
hope that lebanese laws will change for the sake of lebanese women

[PhoenixResurrection]

Coralie, Yes you are right, I corrected my post #24.
But for married women to travel I was never asked for any permission.
As for the consulate, I dono about which country u r talked but It is not the case in the consulate of "civilized countries".

And you are so RIGHT about the passport issue.
Actually if the kids are < ~9y, both the mother and father must sign the request for the passport. When the kids are older, the mother is just an accessory and only the father's signature is requested...

And yet again they ask for our vote in the elections! frankly we should sanction ALL current 128MPs as they have proven to be incompetent in ALL possible fields including Women's rights defence.