Down Town Restos/Cafes = Humiliation !?

[shevchenco]

last summer, i was wandering in DT with my cousin until a saudi guys stops us and asks if he can find a McDonald's close by. enough said.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

Thank you for the post vegojimbo.

The issues that need to be highlighted seem the following:

1- Restaurant managers are mistreating their employees. (Lebanese problem)
2- Restaurant managers are hiring more international workers than Lebanese workers. (Lebanese problem)
3- Restaurants are too overpriced compared to other areas. No regulations seem to be in place. (Lebanese problem)
4- Restaurants are failing hard in sanitary issues and no regulations seem to be in place. (Lebanese problem)
5- Khalijis wear ugly clothing and are scary. (Khaliji problem ... hmm maybe not, Lebanese discriminatory problem)
6- Some khalijis fail to abide by laws of decent behavior. Lebanese security officials seem to be on top of the issue. (If not, it's really a Lebanese security problem)
7- Lebanese vendors neglect Lebanese customers and are overattentive to Khalijis: better tips? more purchases? (Lebanese problem - If instructed by managers to do so, then it's a regulatory problem, and if not, it's just human instinct )

Those darn Khalijis.

Points 1-2-3-4 I agree with. With regards to point 5, I didn't even mention clothing and appearance, so I guess this point is not related to my post.
About point 6, it's actually a khaliji problem, probably the only one between the ones u mentioned. Many think they can buy ppl just bc they have money, so they badmouth ppl and "ylattcho" as much as u want thinking no one would approach them. However, I was surprised when I heard the LA participated in the beating of a saudi prince in public. Usually they teach him a lesson in the army barracks, but it seems that this summer some tourists have been too cocky and the "badmouthing" angered many ppl numerous times, so the LA wanted to make a public example of the poor (?) guy in order to put an end to this phenomenon. Some say it was too much, others say it was needed to end this "maskhara".
Now about point 7, after many experiences with the lebanese, the gulf tourists have learned not to spray money everywhere and reacted by turning into cheap tourists (from one extreme to the other). So for the resto owner, the gulf tourist may be the target (bc the owner cares only about how large the bill is), but for the waiters, the lebanese client is the favorite target despite some very few lavish spending Gulf princes (bc the lebanese tend to pay tips in a percentage according to the bill; big bill>big tip, small bill> small tip, medium bill> medium tip). As a matter of fact, when the bill of the gulf tourist is somewhat big (50$ and above), I personally noticed that in general no tip is put.

[Xena]

That's weird, after reading few comments in here.. i'm starting to feel for the khalijis! ...

[Salome]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

5- Khalijis wear ugly clothing and are scary. (Khaliji problem ... hmm maybe not, Lebanese discriminatory problem)

Of course it is not a problem for them! They give a sh_t about what we think of their appearance.
Maybe for me it is more disturbing as I live in a western society. When they appear in DT among the other tourists its like a shock, it hurts your eyes.

Originally Posted by Xena

That's weird, after reading few comments in here.. i'm starting to feel for the khalijis! ...

Good luck with them:D

[jolinari]

Khaliji are like that all over the world!!! afterall they just take advantage of the freedom and when they go back home, he goes back to his real life...miserable life!!!

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

Khaliji's driving at 2am screaming and hollering while playing the music out loud . they wouldnt dare do that in their own country. I get so pissed off, not because of their behavior, but pissed by the image we are sending to the world.

We've given them the keys, or haven't we?

And you are right, we are second class citizens when the khaliji's get involved. Money does wonders.

Money sure does wonders, to the point where they think they can buy anyone with their money. Sickening image we're giving, or aren't we?

Originally Posted by Xena

That's weird, after reading few comments in here.. i'm starting to feel for the khalijis! ...

Exactly, if you offer a brothel you can't trash guests. As simple as that. They see that our country is the land of the "falatein" in the region, which is what we're turning it into. Honestly I don't see anything wrong with what they do, they're humans like the rest of us, li baddo yeflat fi yiji la 3enna, or can't he?

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Exactly, if you offer a brothel you can't trash guests. As simple as that. They see that our country is the land of the "falatein" in the region, which is what we're turning it into. Honestly I don't see anything wrong with what they do, they're humans like the rest of us, li baddo yeflat fi yiji la 3enna, or can't he?

How do the two issues relate?
Most of the points raised in this thread do not have much to do with "falatein" as I understand your perception of it. Can you help with the link?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

How do the two issues relate?
Most of the points raised in this thread do not have much to do with "falatein" as I understand your perception of it. Can you help with the link?

Complaints about what the Khalijians do when they come to Lebanon brought to mind the absurdity behind what is "mutadewal" in the Lebanese streets . No digression allowed Mr Nirvana unless it's about HA? You I Johnny Fadi Nounou and Tutu know fully well what we have to offer. Point made is that complaining about Khalijian presence and whatever they do in DT or whatever we do to them is by all means sad. It(the point made)'s not aimed at those who do not like it, but rather at us as a nation in general for we are falling into the same boat as those we disagree with in the eyes of those Khalijians. Why trash those you sleep with? How unfaithful. A Khalijian 3am bi shaffet! Lah! Ma byelba2lo. If you have enough $ to compete with them, by all means do, otherwise don't go where they are. What do you blame? Lebanese ethics and values.

I was once walking down a street in Hamra, and it turned my stomach to hear what i heard from the tourists. Why do they do that? Thanks to our "expensive" products, they think we're all like that "Lubnan kabareh 3al hawa" . Now i fully understand that this statement is flattering to many, however there are a lot who find it insulting.

Let's be real , when the Gulf people are here , Lebanese people are not even seen! Why is this happening ? Why do we have to be humiliated in our own country ?

Because we have people who LOOOOOOOOOVE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Dfa3lon bisiro metl l'kleb.

[friendofzeus]

We've given them the keys, or haven't we?

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

Concerning myself, u would notice that i was talking about the khalijis in the car, not all khalijis. I raised this particular issue because they know that everything goes here and they can practicably do whatever they want, so like us they are using our country as a playground. Which kind of struck me this instant, on the reason of my anger. Since we act the same way? Why should we care if they also wreck the country?

Of course ur reasoning is undebatable. We would be hypocrits, when we would complain about what they do in our country all the while we are responsible and accountable for said behavior. Behavior justifiable by our negligence towards this country.

But the point aroused by the topic is the way lebanese start to treat each other in the presence of greater benefits.Which is sickening at its core. It reveals the real reason behind all of our problems. The faltering of the moral code, which our culture abides to(in spight of a deep religious presence, mind the irony) is degrading the whole bond of this cultural structure. Enabling such forms of corruption to pass and actually be welcomed.

[coralie]

what is realy disturbing is that most not all but most of the lebanese (commercants, resto, hotel.. manegements ) think that Khaliji touristes are more important ($$$$$) then Lebanese local or touristes citizens , it is a bad trend but unfortunatly it is a sad reality .
khaliji touristes (lets say not all but the majority) think they are more important and should be venerated more then others , maybe this trend comes from the trend i stated above ^.
once you say saoudi or koweti to a lebenese deghri biyen7allo w bet chot rayleton they think sheikh or prince or whatever millionaire khaliji which is not true but this is how twisted lebanese minds perceive, analyse, understand and react to the khaliji title . they failled to see that the khaliji touristes who come to lebanon are the middle w ched nzoul class not even the millionaire . the millionaires and billionaires khaliji peoples go to more "sofisticated exotic" places ..... they do not drive from koweit or KSA in their own cars all the way to lebanon they travel to europe or exotic islands with their private jets !!!!!!!