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lady_forever

well to my knowledge Nassar come from Saida ..anyway thanks for the useful info

Serapis

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Originally Posted by rors

so this thread is dedicated to origins, history and genealogy trees of lebanese families. Where they originated from, migrated to and ended up in will be discussed here.
It would be interesting finding out the roots of each family, away from show-off and most importantly phoenician vs. Arab jadal byzanteh

i'll start with saleeby-saliba family (watching sayf 840 with ghassan saliba and mirka's repetitive hammering of rateeb saliba in the political forum is to be blamed

)

here it goes:

saleeby-saliba historythis is a brevity of the saleeby-saliba history which goes back to the centuries before christ up to the second century a.d. Beginning from prince petronious amiries son of polithictos, son of epocratos, the hellinc of tibbanous family which ruled in sparta during that time. This amiries was born in a ship while his mother aghrist with his uncle emofaratis fled from sparta after his father's death; this was near the shores of biblous, the city of the phoenician gods.

This amiries grew to be commander over caesar's army. As an idolater although his mother, a christian tried to convert him to her faith, but in vain. She prayed that her desire may be fulfilled. By a miracle he was converted by john, an apostle of saint paul, who converted and baptized him during the year 67 a.d. This was the same year when the apostles assembled in antioch and were called christians.

Thinking it unwise to return to rome, he went to huran in syria where he got friends and relatives and lived in (el-basseer), built a home and moved his family and lived to be 101 years of age. He died and his body was carried back to sparta and buried.

Amiries' son, nocalaous, married and begat el-gouth, a great hero who was called el-saleeby by an arabian prince for his wars against the jews and idolaters, defending the christian faith. He was born the year of 89 a.d. And died 197 a.d. In azrah of huran.

When the christians lost power and wealth, they began to migrate - leaving their homes. John ben bilsarous el-saleeby gave up saint jacobs monastery to the moslems. This was built by el-gouth el-saleeby during the second century. One jacob demitry saleeby migrated from huran to el-kourah in lebanon. Where after farris el-saleeby, son of acklidis - followed.

Al-abry farris' son left to antioch and from him all the saleeby's and saliba's in that section descended. After farris's death, tamir, jacob's son, became the leader who during his days things developed until the 12th century when the crusaders came from europe to rescue jerusalem form the moslems. But for the bad conduct and mistreatment to the inhabitants of lebanon these saleeby's were forced to form an alliance with the arabs to fight for their safety until 1380 when things were settled. When el-wardy ben-mansour el-saleeby died, the family began to scatter in all directions of the country where many have been given nicknames, other than saleeby. About 30 branches were given these various names, as is recorded below.

The saleeby's who came from el-koura to bteghreen during 1625 a.d. Are jacob and his cousins assad, joseph and harun, came to btalloon, built a home and lived, whereafter joseph returned to bteghreen and harun went to nebatyeh. Assad and his family stayed at btalloon, thereafter some of his children moved to souk-el-gharb and other towns nearby.

In 1886 migration to the western world began where we find thousands of saleeby and saliba families in north and south america, england, africa, australia, and all parts of the world.

Branches of the saleeby and saliba families

kassab yanni
ghosn el-hashim
nahaas el-wardi
awon el-irwadi
el-hawe el-yazigi
hayder naffah
abu-hayder el-jazairy

hummam
shwire

kheirallah

nayim, ataye

el-ghereeb, dahrouge ...ayta
harun ...nabatyeh
el-hilow ...north lebanon
budran ...beirut
el-abry ...antioch
el-hakim ...el-salt
el-azar ...el-koura
nassar ...souk-el-gharb
shammas ...huran & el-koura
ackle, abi-george ...bteghrine
abi-sulaiman ...zahleh

اسم العائلة مشتق من الصليبيين فكيف يعقل ان يعود تاريخها لقبل الحقبة الصليبية أي القرن الحادي عشر؟

dodzi

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Originally Posted by Serapis

اسم العائلة مشتق من الصليبيين فكيف يعقل ان يعود تاريخها لقبل الحقبة الصليبية أي القرن الحادي عشر؟

It is possible that the family name evolved... Before Christ, they might have carried a different family name, and they might have changed it when they converted...

It is perfectly normal, your family name was given to you by your father, who got it from his, and so on. At a certain point though, family names weren't fixed... So you might have ancestors with different family names...

Rors

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Originally Posted by Serapis

اسم العائلة مشتق من الصليبيين فكيف يعقل ان يعود تاريخها لقبل الحقبة الصليبية أي القرن الحادي عشر؟

The article doesn't say that. A man, Nocalaous, who was waging wars against jews to protect christians was given the surname Saleeby by an Arabian prince, and it sticked to him.
It is not weird that the surname was present way before the famous crusades of the 11th century.

Rors

Najjar FamilyThe Najjar family is spread all over the world. In lebanon, Najjars are from diffrent Sects: Maronite (Beirut, Mount Lebanon), Druze (Beit Mery, Maasser el chouf), Roman Catholic (Zahle, Bekaa), Sunni (Beirut, Tripoly) Chiite (South Lebanon), and Greek Orthodox (Koura). In the Middle East, Najjars are almost everywhere: Egypt (Muslims and Jews), Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, The Gulf area and North Africa... In the US, there are a lot of Carpenters (Means Najjar in Arabic), some of them trace back their roots to middle eastern countries

If someone could post the history of the family so we could understand how it got so geographically spread and religiously diversified!

zodiac

IRAN , ladies and gentlemen, my family is from iranian origins.
My family name means " the second of the shah" and its translated in arabic as "Sayyid"!!
LOL!!

Nayla

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Originally Posted by zodiac

IRAN , ladies and gentlemen, my family is from iranian origins.
My family name means " the second of the shah" and its translated in arabic as "Sayyid"!!
LOL!!

You syrian-iranian agent

me7war l sharr

Nayla

My family's origins are Greek, from the antique Greece
We're descendants of some Greek prince ,Alexander the Great

(you know him?)

shevchenco

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Originally Posted by Rors

Najjar FamilyThe Najjar family is spread all over the world. In lebanon, Najjars are from diffrent Sects: Maronite (Beirut, Mount Lebanon), Druze (Beit Mery, Maasser el chouf), Roman Catholic (Zahle, Bekaa), Sunni (Beirut, Tripoly) Chiite (South Lebanon), and Greek Orthodox (Koura). In the Middle East, Najjars are almost everywhere: Egypt (Muslims and Jews), Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, The Gulf area and North Africa... In the US, there are a lot of Carpenters (Means Najjar in Arabic), some of them trace back their roots to middle eastern countries

If someone could post the history of the family so we could understand how it got so geographically spread and religiously diversified!

I have an iranian friend whose last name is Najar (one J; they don't emphasize on the J). He's purely persian. Also, Nijjar is a famous Punjabi last name. Punjab is an indian/pakistani region.

Nasser

I am a beiruti abban 3an jad ... my father and his father and .... all from Beirut ... same for my mother's family :P.