So this thread is dedicated to origins, history and genealogy trees of Lebanese families. Where they originated from, migrated to and ended up in will be discussed here.
It would be interesting finding out the roots of each family, away from show-off and most importantly Phoenician vs. Arab jadal byzanteh
I'll start with Saleeby-Saliba family (watching Sayf 840 with Ghassan Saliba and Mirka's repetitive hammering of Rateeb Saliba in the political forum is to be blamed )
speaking about origins
once 3emlo meeting for our family bel day3a , there was plenty of ppl i don't know who are from a differet family but teb3een elna :D
anyway , my family origin is from keserwen , one of our family killed a man men bet el khazen (long long time ago) and ran away to syria , then lamma reji3 reji3 3a 3akkar , 3al 2bayyet
it's a long story but that's the brief resume
my conclusions :
cons: instead of being from a cool place like keserwen i am stuck in akkar , the worst place on earth
pros: we are a brave family , we can kill khazens in their own stronghold :D (of course running away to suria is not part of the bravery thing :P)
I'm Originaly from Al Khalil Palestine, and the Scripture We have says That we are Originally from the Arabian Jazira and from the Family of the prophet(PBUH) not only us but most families from al Khalil are directly related tp the prophet... Anywas 3 Brothers migrated from al Khalil to Kfar Tebnit (south Nabatiyeh) in lebanon and I ended up in the north as a Lebanese citizen.
As for the phonecian Arab thingy I have an Interesting info: 5 Families in Lebanon who are from Ahlel bayt (descendants of the prophet) Are Christians, which shows that Some Muslims did convert to christianity and vice-versa.
I'm Originaly from Al Khalil Palestine, and the Scripture We have says That we are Originally from the Arabian Jazira and from the Family of the prophet(PBUH) not only us but most families from al Khalil are directly related tp the prophet... Anywas 3 Brothers migrated from al Khalil to Kfar Tebnit (south Nabatiyeh) in lebanon and I ended up in the north as a Lebanese citizen.
As for the phonecian Arab thingy I have an Interesting info: 5 Families in Lebanon who are from Ahlel bayt (descendants of the prophet) Are Christians, which shows that Some Muslims did convert to christianity and vice-versa.
That's funny, coz one of my ancestors, Assad ibn Elias ibn el Moutran ("Archbishop" family in English), had to convert to Islam in the 11th century. He was Saladin's personal physician. He then changed his name to Mouaffak el-Dine Abou Nasr ibn Matran so that his name wouldn't be confused with a Christian one...
Back then, we were present in Damascus and Baalbak (I guess, but mostly Damascus).
I guess they later reconverted coz we're Christians today...
I also discovered that by the 19th century, our family was present in both Lebanon (Baalbak) and Palestine (North, Jezreel valey, Nazareth). We had huge lands that were considered amongst the most fertile of Palestine.
We lost all those lands when Israel was created, because those lands ended up in what is now Israeli territory...
That's funny, coz one of my ancestors, Assad ibn Elias ibn el Moutran ("Archbishop" family in English), had to convert to Islam in the 11th century. He was Saladin's personal physician. He then changed his name to Mouaffak el-Dine Abou Nasr ibn Matran so that his name wouldn't be confused with a Christian one...
Back then, we were present in Damascus and Baalbak (I guess, but mostly Damascus).
I guess they later reconverted coz we're Christians today...
I also discovered that by the 19th century, our family was present in both Lebanon (Baalbak) and Palestine (North, Jezreel valey, Nazareth). We had huge lands that were considered amongst the most fertile of Palestine.
We lost all those lands when Israel was created, because those lands ended up in what is now Israeli territory...
Hmmm Why did he change the "Elias" part? We Muslims have Elias as a Name, he was a prophet afterall, Anyway Guess he didn't know hehe.
Sorry fer those Fertile Lands you lost, guess that's another reason to destroy Israel. Nchallah We'll liberate those Lands w Bto3tina 7elweyneh Shi Kem Mazra3a Men 3endak ;)
Hmmm Why did he change the "Elias" part? We Muslims have Elias as a Name, he was a prophet afterall, Anyway Guess he didn't know hehe.
Sorry fer those Fertile Lands you lost, guess that's another reason to destroy Israel. Nchallah We'll liberate those Lands w Bto3tina 7elweyneh Shi Kem Mazra3a Men 3endak ;)
Well I wondered too... But he didn't change the name of his father. He simply changed from "Ibn" Elias to "Abou" Nasr...
It is unfortunate that I don't have that many information on my family: the family house and the family library (meaning all the books that existed on my family and kept a record of everything) was burned in a fire sometime in the 20th century (that's what my grandfather's cousin told me).
About the lands in Palestine, it was a story I used to hear from my family. Later, (God bless google) I found out that the Jezreel valley mostly belonged to 2 major effendis: the Sursock family (who bought their property in the 19th century from the Ottoman Empire for £20.000) and the Moutran family.
Sursock sold their lands to the American Zion Commonwealth (for multiple million dollars), while the Moutran didn't...
To tell you the truth I don't know if the property papers still exist. My aunt (who's a judge) told me that when she was younger, she had received these papers and given them to my grandfather. My grandfather hid the papers somewhere in his home. My mom told me that in the 80s, the Israelis had made a call for the land owners to tell them they could claim compensations in return to sell the lands. Apparently it didn't matter to my grandfather so he never acted on those calls (well, we've never been rich, quite to the contrary, so...). My grandfather died in the 80s, and my aunt tried to find the papers but never found them...
It's a shame though, just looking at these papers would have been nice. They were apparently very old (19th century) and written in traditional Ottoman calligraphy and signed by the Ottoman authorities...
Anyways, it's all too late now... Unfortunately... Even if Palestine ever became liberated, we'd never get those lands back... However can't wait till we can get back there just to visit. Apparently there's a square and a statue there on the name of one of my ancestors.
I descend from the Hussein-3ayad family--a (surprise) Shi'a family from the town of Malkiya in the southernmost portion of Lebanon. It is one of the "seven villages" that Hezbollah is currently demanding back from Israel and is viewed as Lebanese territory by the Lebanese government. Our land was lost in 1948 and has since been turned into a kibbutz. My family relocated to Bourj Hammoud and opened up a clothing store right in downtown near Martyr's Square (it's a cafe today). Of course, being Muslims in East Beirut during the civil war meant they had to evacuate the area. My family's stores were all bombed and the Phalangists laid siege to the building in which my family lived until they were forced to evacuate to their summer home.
Other than that, I'm not very sure about the history of my family. I read somewhere that the people who were living in Malkiya are "Metawali," meaning they settled in the area from Iran. I'm not sure if this is true for my family, but if I had to pick out the ethnology of my family by just looking at them, I would assume that we have European blood in us judging by the fact that my grandfather's family are all very fair-skinned and have blue or green eyes. If anybody has information on Malkiya or its people, I'd appreciate it if you shared it with me.
Ar3et bayyak men wein? -
13th April 2009
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(according to Wikipedia at least)
