The Orange Room - forum.tayyar.org - The Orange Room http://forum.tayyar.org en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:08:21 GMT vBulletin 60 http://forum.tayyar.org/images/element/misc/rss.jpg The Orange Room - forum.tayyar.org - The Orange Room http://forum.tayyar.org Subtitle Media Author X SummaryMaximum Chars: 4000 Owner Name X lfpm.org@gmail.com KeywordsSeparate with commas no <![CDATA[الأحزاب اليسارية للمشاركة في الاعتصام]]> http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/1575-1604-1571-1581-1586-1575-1576-1575-1604-1610-1587-1575-1585-1610-1577-1604-1604-1605-1588-1575-1585-1603-1577-1601-1610-1575-1604-1575-1593-1578-1589-1575-1605-a-41341/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:57:53 GMT
الأحزاب اليسارية دعت للمشاركة في الاعتصام عند مداخل بيروت الاثنين: ء

مستقبل أولادنا في مهب رياح البطالة والهجرة وصحتنا أصبحت سلعة يعتاشون منها

وطنية - وزع الحزب الشيوعي اللبناني و"التنظيم الشعبي الناصري" و"حركة الشعب" و"اللقاء اليساري التشاوري" بيانا دعوا فيه عمال لبنان وفلاحيه وشبابه إلى "المشاركة في الاعتصام الذي سيقام الاثنين المقبل في الخامسة عصرا عند مداخل بيروت في خلدة والحازمية والكرنتينا". ء

وقال البيان: "عادت أطراف الطبقة البرجوازية الى تقاسم مغانم السلطة، واتفقوا على حصص كل فئة منهم بعدما رمونا في المجهول لأكثر من خمسة أشهر

عادوا إلى نهب الوطن وخيراته التي صنعناها نحن، بينما مستقبل أولادنا في مهب رياح البطالة والهجرة. عادوا الى نغمة خصخصة الخدمات الاساسية فيه وبيعها من كهرباء وهاتف وغيرهما ... وحتى صحة المواطن أصبحت سلعة يعتاشون منها، هم وأزلامهم

ثلاثة ألاف ليرة هي الدخل اليومي لنصف افراد الشعب اللبناني، بينما أفراد 200 عائلة فقط متخمون، يتقاسمون عائدات الدولة كلها، وينهبون المال العام الذي جمعوه من عرق جبيننا

التعتيم يزداد، والكهرباء إلى تراجع. أما أسعار المحروقات فإلى ارتفاع، ومعها كل السلع الغذائية. والشتاء على الأبواب، بينما الأغلبية منا لا تستطيع تأمين ما يقيها من البرد

ألم نكتف من الوعود البراقة التي تتكرر مع كل بيان وزاري أو مع كل فصل انتخابي؟
لذا ندعوكم إلى رفع الصوت عاليا من أجل تأمين الكهرباء وخفض أسعار المحروقات. ندعوكم إلى رفع الصوت عاليا من أجل تصحيح الاجور وتأمين الدواء وترتيب أوضاع الضمان الاجتماعي

لنتحرك ولنشارك في الاعتصام عند مداخل بيروت (خلدة، الحازمية، الكرنتينا) الاثنين المقبل في الخامسة مساء


what do you think about this news? ]]> The Orange Room united http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/1575-1604-1571-1581-1586-1575-1576-1575-1604-1610-1587-1575-1585-1610-1577-1604-1604-1605-1588-1575-1585-1603-1577-1601-1610-1575-1604-1575-1593-1578-1589-1575-1605-a-41341/ no Maktab al khamess resurrected???? http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/maktab-al-khamess-resurrected-41340/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:32:25 GMT its time to ask ourselves..is that what we are witnessing with the fere3 al ma3loumet.
since this illegality was created in isf, all we hear is horror stories and illegalities committed by that fere3.

no week passes by that one citizen is not mishandled or his rights trampled upon by the fere3.

IS THAT FERE3 BEING PIMPED TO REPLACE ?
3ANJAR
BOULIVRAD
AL AMERKAN
HAYKALIYYE

Below is a sample of what is going on.....
it seems that fere3 has gone rogue ( EVEN BY LEBANESE STANDARDS)

Quote:
شقيقة المعاون في قوى الأمن الداخلي لينا ناصر الدين تقول: "عشية يوم السبت طلبه فرع المعلومات وعند ذهابه يحققّون معه وينسبون له دعوة سرقة "دراجّة نارية" ويبقى لمدّة أربعة أيام يتعرّض للضرب وللتعذيب، "ضرب مبرح على الرأس والجسم" وهو حالياً بحالة لا وعي داخل مستشفى "الحياة". وأطلب من الناس أن تأتي لتراه بأيّ حالة هو؟ ما ذهه الدولة.؟ وأيّ قانون يسمح لمعاون أوّل في الدرك التعرّض له بالضرب من فرع المعلومات... ما هي الجريمة التي ارتكبت؟ ما هي صفتهم؟ لماذا لم يبلّغ المغفر وليحققوا معه هناك... منظر لا يقبله عقل

I FEAR WE ARE WITNESSING the creation of a new jamil al sayed in wisam al hassan. ]]> The Orange Room hannaalsayssa http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/maktab-al-khamess-resurrected-41340/ no University elections and politics in long term... http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/university-elections-politics-long-term-41339/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:04:06 GMT It is clearly nowadays that youth is very well driven by LF policy w 3antariyet,however (congratulations to the winners first),don't be to happy about your wins as never those elections could change anything as politics is not about losing a univeristy and gaining at another one.
Politics is a long term project,and what i can see in the LF project is a totally failure project for all means.
First,they think that they will get the christians rights.We saw what did they get.Eza w halla2 bel solta w ma akhado chi,ra7 ye2dro yjibo chi later.I don't think so
Second,winds are changing,LFers are launching hate towards syria and hizbullah in order to attract youth.So,I will look to the face of the youth when LF leader will visit syria.
Anyway,if he decide not to visit and stand alone,khaline chouf chou ra7 fi ya3mel alone.FM will soon go to syria so as jumblatt.What will geagea do back than,break his alliance with them or go to syria?on both sides the guy will be loosing.Look at the ongoing reconciliations,where is geagea?mich masmou3 7esso.
We should note that a person like jumblatt wont accept any challenge to hizb or "a war" on the hizb the way LF youth is dreaming about.
Third,remember guys 10 years ago,when the university elections were devided between tayyar anf LF (believe me,back in 1998 ,LFers were strong).However,in 2005 and 2009 ,we saw election results.so most people who were in 1998,i am so sure that they voted in 2005 and 2009 (and what were the results in most christian areas???)
Finally,politis based on hate and division will soon hit the wall. remember me in 10 years.
Even if LF get all christian deputees they can't apply their policies since deep down,no one agrees on them.

Cheers. ]]> The Orange Room lebanon4ever http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/university-elections-politics-long-term-41339/ no How to win the FPM/LF popularity war on the long term http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/how-win-fpm-lf-popularity-war-long-term-41337/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:03:25 GMT If you really want to win the long term war on Geagea, you need to use the most basic propaganda tool there is: video!

Just have OTV and other stations repeatedly air documentaries about the war and the massacres that happened back then!

People rallied around FPM and GMA between 1988 and 2005 because of the history of others and the resistance of aounists. Few people rallied around FPM because of its political program.



Today, the older people know what each is worth, and changing their minds is useless!

The youth see in GMA an old pretentious populist in league with what many consider a fundamentalist terrorist movement! They don't know which ideology motivated this alliance.

They don't know about Geagea and Joumblatt's war crimes, they don't know about Hariri's collusion with the Syrians, they don't know about Gemayel's corruption and incompetence, they don't know about GMA and the Aounists' resistance history!



They youth are daily confronted to newspapers, television and other medias criticizing Aoun left and right! And we're letting them do it by trying to explain our motives.

However, the best defense is the attack! Last elections showed that publishing a 70-pages electoral program is inefficient. It isn't useless, as people like me are attracted to professionalism rather than cheap slogans. However, the youth are attracted to what is "cool".

During the occupation, it is rebellion that attracted the youth! March 14 2005 was the biggest proof. People went hysterical. Not because of the political ambitions of the movement, but because of the nature of it: rebellion! People went down to the streets every week, camped on Martyr Square, skipped class, etc.

It was cool. Skipping class and spending the night away from home... Just like 1968 in Europe and the US, it was simple rebellion that motivated the people, and the political reasons behind them were just pretexts to rebel! Rebel against authority, parents, church, morals, etc.


But these movements always have expiration dates. So how should we cope with this?

Whether we admit it or not, FPM's popularity has decreased. I am not predicting a further decrease, but I am warning of what may happen if we don't try to remedy against a potential further decrease!


So focus on the youth...

Not to bring back the war passion, but to educate them about the consequences of extremism and sectarianism! ]]> The Orange Room dodzi http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/how-win-fpm-lf-popularity-war-long-term-41337/ no Suleiman to Hosts Jumblat-GMA Reconciliation http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/suleiman-hosts-jumblat-gma-reconciliation-41321/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:54:28 GMT
لقاء مصالحة بين العماد عون والنائب جنبلاط في قصر بعبدا الأربعاء المقبل
tayyar.org ]]> The Orange Room joe tayyar http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/suleiman-hosts-jumblat-gma-reconciliation-41321/ no <![CDATA[قهوجي: نعرف أسماء قتلة النائب عيدو وفرنسو]]> http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/157-41319/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:17:38 GMT
قهوجي: نعرف أسماء قتلة النائب عيدو وفرنسوا الحاج


أفادت معلومات خاصة لإذاعة "صوت المدى" أنّ قائد الجيش اللبناني العماد جان قهوجي كشف من دبي أنّ لدى المؤسسة العسكرية موقوفين لهما علاقة مباشرة بفتح الإسلام وبتنظيم القاعدة، وقد أدليا بمعلومات تتطابق مع إعترافات موقوفين آخرين أفضت الى التأكد من أسماء الضالعين في إغتيال كلّ من النائب وليد عيدو واللواء فرنسوا الحاج.

tayyar.org

They should know who is FEI, and related to who. Or at least say it.

Otherwise this is all 7akeh fadeh. ]]> The Orange Room joe tayyar http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/157-41319/ no Next in line:the army. http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/next-line-army-41317/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:35:06 GMT
Quote:
Al Akhbar
18/11/2009

كن الجديد الذي برز في حينه، هو اسم العقيد غسان بلعة، المنتدب إلى السرايا الكبيرة لقربه من تيار «المستقبل»، ومن ثم عيّن مساعداً لمدير الاستخبارات. فقد أقدم بلعة على تعبئة عدد غير قليل من الضباط السنّة في الجيش وقدم أكثر من 14 واحداً منهم استقالاتهم إلى قائد الجيش، بحجة أن الجيش «يتفرج على غزوة بيروت». والآن، وبعد حصول التغييرات التي حصلت، لا يزال بلعة يقوم بالدور نفسه، وهو الأمر الذي يترافق مع أمور أخرى تثير غضب قائد الجيش العماد جان قهوجي، والموضوع عرضة لمزيد من التفاقم إذا لم يتم تداركه...
الخطر الحقيقي المحدق بالجيش، هو أن السلطات النافذة تشعر بأنه خارج الدعم الذي كان متوافراً له سابقاً، وثمة معارك تحصل من دون ضجة للاستيلاء على قراره وفق قاعدة الانقسام الداخلي، ومن يفشل يحاول خلق مراكز نفوذ داخل هذه المؤسسة... ألم يزلّ لسان سعد الحريري ذات مرة بالقول إنه قادر على تقسيم الجيش إذا عادت المواجهات إلى الشارع

we are yet to swallow the illegalities in the isf and how the fm are asserting their rule over it.we are faced with a larger threat and conspiracy against our beloved ARMY.
dont laugh guys and shove the matter aside, its an ongoing plan.
all it takes is few traitors and few officers who are willing to play along and we will have a resurection of GHEISH AHMAD AL KHATTEB al arabi.

once the army is weakened internally, THAN BYE BYE LEBANON as we know. ]]> The Orange Room hannaalsayssa http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/next-line-army-41317/ no What do you think of GMA choice of FPM ministers in the new government http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/what-do-you-think-gma-choice-fpm-ministers-new-government-41314/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:45:23 GMT Please vote and state the reason.

The options are:

1-Categorically with.
2-Against because the chosen figures don't fit the assigned portfolios.
3-Against because Gebran bassil was an exeption for being the only loser in parliamentary election being assigned again as minister.
4-Against because Nahas and abboud are not FPMers, and many hardcore FPMers deserve more these positions.
5-skeptical,i prefer to wait some time to check their performence then i judge.
6-Other, state the reason.

Thanks. ]]> The Orange Room Zouxi http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/what-do-you-think-gma-choice-fpm-ministers-new-government-41314/ no If you were to choose FPM ministers who would you pick? http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/if-you-were-choose-fpm-ministers-who-would-you-pick-41309/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:22:07 GMT Since some are not happy with the actual FPM ministers, let's hear the names of the ones you would have chosen if you were to chose (they can be FPMers or non-FPMers).

The ministries are tourism, energy, and telecom.

Do not suggest Gebran Bassil in telecom as the deal was that someone else gets it.

I will try to keep track of the nominations to see who the lucky winners/ministers are. ]]> The Orange Room Youchka http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/if-you-were-choose-fpm-ministers-who-would-you-pick-41309/ no <![CDATA[GMA's Press Conference After The C&R Bloc Meeting (18/11/2009)]]> http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/gmas-press-conference-after-c-r-bloc-meeting-18-11-2009-a-41300/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:59:26 GMT
Sawt Mada

ترقبّوا العماد عون مباشرة بعيد إجتماع تكتّل التغيير والإصلاح حوالي الساعة 5:00 من بعد الظهر على شاشة الـ
"otv" والـ"منار" والـ"nbn" والـ"ntv"
وإذاعتي "صوت المدى" والـ"نور
]]> The Orange Room Watani<]]> http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/gmas-press-conference-after-c-r-bloc-meeting-18-11-2009-a-41300/ no Dictatorships in darak http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/dictatorships-darak-41299/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:44:50 GMT
Quote:
براهيم الأمين ــ حسن عليق
«وفيق جزيني لم يفعل شيئاً، وكذلك وفيق شقير، قرر فريق إطاحتهما لأسباب وخلفيات عدة، لكن كان هناك من تولى أمر الدفاع عنهما، ومنع تنفيذ أي قرار بحقهما. المرجعية الشيعية قوية، اليوم يقف أنطوان شكور وحيداً مستفرداً، لا أعرف إذا كانت القيادات المسيحية تعرف ما الذي يحصل. لا يريد أن يلجأ إلى أي منها، وليس بيده إلا القانون ليدافع عن نفسه وعن مستقبل المؤسسة، وكما نعرفه يصعب توقّع أن يتراجع تحت الضغوط مهما كان الذي ينوون القيام به ضده».
هكذا يلخّص ضابط متوسط الرتبة في قوى الأمن الداخلي حال المؤسسة اليوم، في ضوء الغطاء السياسي الذي يبدو أنه توافر نتيجة توافق الرئيسين ميشال سليمان وسعد الحريري على إطاحة قائد الدرك العميد أنطوان شكور، لرفضه تنفيذ أوامر قال هو في كتب أرسلها إلى رؤسائه وإلى الجهات المعنية في وزارة الداخلية، إنها أوامر مخالفة للقانون العام ومخالفة لنظام عمل قوى الأمن الداخلي
tayyar.org - Lebanon News -إنÙ�جرت داخل قوى الأمن الداخلي، قائد الدرك بين الرضوخ والسجن. Ø*صار قائد ال

the whole fere3 is illegal
the whole darak employement for the past 5 years are illegal
now rifi wants to pick on shakour because he is resisting haymanat the fm?

is that fair?
is that legal?

or is it the law of the jungle?
why not pick on all ort leave all.

where is baroud?
where is ms?
where is defense minister? ]]> The Orange Room hannaalsayssa http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/dictatorships-darak-41299/ no What Saad would do in case tawtin is a must? http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/what-saad-would-do-case-tawtin-must-41297/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:11:55 GMT Here is one scenario regarding the palestinians:

Hariri's fortune is around 3 billion dollars.
Approximate value of the projects in which Hariri's companies are involved is about 40 billion dollars.
I don't want to be negative towards the on going agreements between tayyar and future movement, but I have to place a few questions here just to keep it as a reminder for the future.

If Saoudi told hariri to install the palestinians in Lebanon, no questions asked, what do you think Hariri will do? He has 2 options:
- the first one, is perfect yet difficult to happen, Hariri would say no, I would not betray my country. So he will lose his money, we all know just the mobilisation for such big projects can cost more than 3 billion, in consequence he will lose his popularity and his followers.
- the second one is the easiest one for him and for his money. He would say yes, waiting for your orders and funds. Same principles that his father followed with the syrians.

To all 14 March, lebanese forces, kataeb, I would ask: are you able to stop him or change his mind? and I mean peacfully without taking us back to 1975, start a war that we eventually will lose because we are now weaker than before, or more accurate statement, "they" are stronger than before.
So stop acting like children, making teams, creating slogans, hanging pins and stuff :)...
(...) ]]> The Orange Room Delavega http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/what-saad-would-do-case-tawtin-must-41297/ no Suleiman Hosts Jumblat-Franjieh Reconciliation Today http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/suleiman-hosts-jumblat-franjieh-reconciliation-today-41295/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:35:33 GMT Suleiman Hosts Jumblat-Franjieh Reconciliation Today
Baabda Palace is to host Wednesday a reconciliation meeting between Druze leader Walid Jumblat and Marada Movement chief Suleiman Franjieh.
President Michel Suleiman will throw a banquet in their honor.

Press reports said it was unlikely that a similar reunion will take place on Wednesday between Jumblat and Free Patriotic Movement leader Michel Aoun.

Jumblat told the daily An-Nahar in remarks published Wednesday that the reunion is part of a bid to "drop the old barriers and move forward with efforts to achieve national reconciliation … and forge a relationship of trust and understanding with the various parties."

Press reports said the reconciliation -- the first between the two men in five years – would help bridge the gap between Mukhtara and Rabiyeh.

MP Istefan Douwaihi told the Voice of Lebanon radio station on Wednesday that the Jumblat-Franjieh meeting is "part of openness on all forces and part of attempts aimed at national reconciliation."


Is this the way for WJ to get into Syria? ]]> The Orange Room Shuyu3i http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/suleiman-hosts-jumblat-franjieh-reconciliation-today-41295/ no The FPM And The Christian Street http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/fpm-christian-street-41294/ Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:50:24 GMT In 2005 when GMA came back i was watching TV and all i saw a huge waves welcoming him from the Lebanese mostly Christians few weeks later was 2005 election at that time we really represented more than 75% from the people voted in the election GMA knew that as christians we cant have lebanon alone and he knew too no one can have lebanon alone not the shi3a nor the sunni or the drooz 1- he signed the MOU with the hzib 2- he visited iran 3- he visited Syria knowing that they left Lebanon and a respected relation between the two countries its a must but March 14 and their media made from the three things i mentioned as the FPM became puppet to all the above which here i am not going to repeat their accusations now what we should do ? and how we can get back to where we were ? first after the government was formed and since we have 5 ministers we must show in the ground not on the TV and newspapers that these ministers will make huge difference in this government 1- weekly visits the villages and cities to let the people feel and touch that we are for them 2- stop bragging about what the others did and show every one what we are doing second the MOU 1- many many visits to the christian villages with hzib leaders to show the christians that the MOU was signed to let every one feel he is safe in his house 2- hzib leaders should tell every one to feel free to contact the hzib any time if they felt their lifes in danger third let the people know that GMA visit to iran was done to maintain the lebanese identity not as they heard to make lebanon part from iran fourth the importance of the relation between the Syrians and the Lebanese and by great relation we can ask for the detainees if there is any you ideas please In 2005 when GMA came back i was watching TV and all i saw a huge waves welcoming him from the Lebanese mostly Christians
few weeks later was 2005 election
at that time we really represented more than 75% from the people voted in the election
GMA knew that as christians we cant have lebanon alone and he knew too no one can have lebanon alone not the shi3a nor the sunni or the drooz
1- he signed the MOU with the hzib
2- he visited iran
3- he visited Syria knowing that they left Lebanon and a respected relation between the two countries its a must
but March 14 and their media made from the three things i mentioned as the FPM became puppet to all the above which here i am not going to repeat their accusations
now what we should do ?
and how we can get back to where we were ?
first
after the government was formed and since we have 5 ministers we must show in the ground not on the TV and newspapers that these ministers will make huge difference in this government
1- weekly visits the villages and cities to let the people feel and touch that we are for them
2- stop bragging about what the others did and show every one what we are doing
second
the MOU
1- many many visits to the christian villages with hzib leaders to show the christians that the MOU was signed to let every one feel he is safe in his house
2- hzib leaders should tell every one to feel free to contact the hzib any time if they felt their lifes in danger
third
let the people know that GMA visit to iran was done to maintain the lebanese identity not as they heard to make lebanon part from iran
fourth
the importance of the relation between the Syrians and the Lebanese and by great relation we can ask for the detainees if there is any

you ideas please ]]> The Orange Room Mr Watani http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/fpm-christian-street-41294/ no the MOUB3ADEEN IN PALESTINE. http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/moub3adeen-palestine-41292/ Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:14:11 GMT
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وعلمت «السفير» أن وزير الطاقة جبران باسيل حاول اضافة نص الى المقدمة السياسية يتعلق باللبنانيين الذين فروا الى الأراضي الفلسطينية المحتلة في العام 2000 بعد التحرير، لكن بعض أعضاء اللجنة ومنهم الوزير وائل أبو فاعور أصروا على التمييز بين العائلات التي من حقها أن تعود وبأسرع وقت ممكن ومن دون تعقيدات وبين العملاء اللحديين الذين يجب أن يسلموا أنفسهم الى القضاء ويخضعوا لمحاكمات من دون أية أحكام مخففة كما حصل في مرات سابقة.
I am all for punishing severly all the colaborators and traitors.
but the party that is directly concerned about this matter HA has agreed that this issue whould be closed and most families should return.
including the low grade collaborators can come back and expect minimum punishment.
ONLY FEW COLLABORATORS WITH BLOOD ON THEIR HAND WERE EXEMPTED.

immediately after that MOU between FPM and HA was signed, sousou at that time, started issuing severe punishments in order to deter the mostly CHRISTIAN FAMILIES FORM RETURNING.

TODAY WE ARE SEEING A REPEAT OF THIS MASKHARA ON the psp hands, as of bou fa3our wa m3almo have more stake in this issue than HA AND THE SHIA.

for how long are we going to let such people dictate to us HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND RECONCILE? ]]> The Orange Room hannaalsayssa http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/moub3adeen-palestine-41292/ no