[Danny Z]

If you say they are genuine people or if you say they are liars, it doesn't change the fact that they may have been liars or genuine. Point is it is not what you believe that is going to make them genuine or liars; it is what they were (in case they really existed).
Bottom you are born Christian you become christian, you are born jew you become jew you are born Muslim you become muslim, with very few statistically nil exceptions you become what you are taught at childhood and teen age and that includes. It is all in your upbringing, you can't prove whether religions exist or not because if it is a wide known fact that Islam or Christian or Judaism or DannyZism is THE right religion then everybody would have followed it, but it is all in what you think, so stop trying to convince others by saying "el sa7ba" were liars or genuine, it is not an argument.