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Originally Posted by Ataraxia

I doubt.
As for the Quran verse, instead of trying to maintain this superior standpoint of yours, why don't you try to look at the verse and analyze it for a second. From one point, if I want to take into account that it was actually the big bang they were talking about, then I am sure I can find you many claims that predated Islam by far and talked about some explosion at some time in the universe. Regardless , it is useless because my second point is everyone who believes that this is connected to the big bang must have his IQ checked. So Earth and Heaven were one piece of mass and then separated. In the big bang, Earth was not created, and ( thus not heaven ?) Earth was created billions of years after. So, if you want to take a timeline, no matter what, you would be taking the timeline of the scientific "big bang" meaning the only way you can explain the timeline is by taking that for instance every two days is some few billion years, and by that you would be assuming something that was not mentioned. All that, however, only works if the Quran meant that Earth and heaven did not get created once the explosion happens and it doesn't mention anything about it.

Also how come that water was used to create every living thing ? Wasn't it clay that humans were created from ?



Yeh they were sent for that purpose, but in the process ignored billions of people before them.



His wisdom is far beyond us but when it is accompanied with an organized religion I can refute anything. Also I made a point and you didn't reply to it yet. Don't tell me that I cannot understand God, please. If I want to follow you and your beliefs, he gave me logic, right ? ... so if my logic is refuting him, he will be responsible and not me. So once again answer my question directly.

Wlek Khalas Sa7tein 3a2albak, Whatever you wish My Friend, Bass go tell the Non-Muslim scientists who Said That around 500 verses couldn't have come from a Man ( from a Scientific not Literature point of View) back then and incorporated these in thier books, Go tell Professor Emeritus keith L. moore (Professor of Anatomy and cell Biology Canada) and Dr. Allison (Pete) Palmer (NewYork University Geology Professor) and Prof. Yoshihide Kozai (Japanese Famous Astronomer) and Prof. T.V.N. Persaud( Department of Human Anatomy and Cell Science University of Manitoba) and William w.Hey (Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado,USA.) and Dr.Maurice Bucaille (specialist in gastroenterology and Famous Surgeon) ect.ect.........Tell them to get thier IQ's Checked and Also tell them there are other pre-Islamic theories Talking about The Creation of the foetus step by Step and the Seperation of Waters by Invisible Walls in the seas and the Roots of the mountains in the earth and the (Ostrich egg) Shape of the earth and its Rotation around the Sun ect.ect.ect.... Sub7an Allah It seems Mohammad(PBUH) only copied the correct theories and left out all the false ones. Enough Jokes Most Scientists Know that There is a God But they just can't bring themselves to Say it, do you Know the Latest Thing they came up with? It's Called "ID" or "Intelligent Design" (Instead of God).
As for the Verse Let me tell you something interesting, It seems you forget that these verse were Aimed at Camel Riding Arabs in the Deserts of Arabia, So Do you really expect Allah to Give a detailed explanation that They cannot ever Comprehend? Can he Mention The Photons interacting with the the Atoms in Order to Generate Electrons which Produce a Photo-electric effect? You also Forget that the Purpose of this book is for Humans to Worship thier ONE creator without attributing any Human defficiencies to him or Likening him to a creature and Not to Teach Humanity the Scientific Facts of Life and how to produce Nuclear Energy.
Another Thing is regarding the water, If I remember correctly It is Clay and water, you see There is a problem when you take things out of context (context being the Other verses which talk about the other ingredients)because in Islam it is common knowlege That a Human's Main components are Clay and Water (and Soul) and these were affirmed by Science.
Here is one of the many verses:
"He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning. Such is He, the Knower of all things, hidden and open, the Exalted (in power), the Merciful;- He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay, And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (The Noble Quran, 32:5-9)"


Islam is appealing to the common sense, Not ur systemized Logic and what you said is correct, If ur an Insane or Crazy person God will not Judge you like others, But if ur Sane and you see some truth then Try hard to Cover (or Kaffer in arabic) It up then you will be punished for that, If you know that This Intelligent Design that all Scientists are talking about Is In deed the creator and refute him then you will be a Kaffer and will be judged.
So Kaffer does not mean a Dis-Believer.

As for you he gave you Guidance so Either you try Hard to follow this guidance and Join every Scientist on the planet which agrees that There is a creator or You take a ShortCut and read his book.

And if you think that this book came from a Human then I challenge you to get me something like it, at least one chapter. Prove me wrong and Dis-mantle Islam by getting me only One Complete meaningful Chapter, Hire as much Literature experts as you can.