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Originally Posted by Ataraxia View Post
I doubt.
As for the Quran verse, instead of trying to maintain this superior standpoint of yours, why don't you try to look at the verse and analyze it for a second. From one point, if I want to take into account that it was actually the big bang they were talking about, then I am sure I can find you many claims that predated Islam by far and talked about some explosion at some time in the universe. Regardless , it is useless because my second point is everyone who believes that this is connected to the big bang must have his IQ checked. So Earth and Heaven were one piece of mass and then separated. In the big bang, Earth was not created, and ( thus not heaven ?) Earth was created billions of years after. So, if you want to take a timeline, no matter what, you would be taking the timeline of the scientific "big bang" meaning the only way you can explain the timeline is by taking that for instance every two days is some few billion years, and by that you would be assuming something that was not mentioned. All that, however, only works if the Quran meant that Earth and heaven did not get created once the explosion happens and it doesn't mention anything about it.

Also how come that water was used to create every living thing ? Wasn't it clay that humans were created from ?

Yeh they were sent for that purpose, but in the process ignored billions of people before them.

His wisdom is far beyond us but when it is accompanied with an organized religion I can refute anything. Also I made a point and you didn't reply to it yet. Don't tell me that I cannot understand God, please. If I want to follow you and your beliefs, he gave me logic, right ? ... so if my logic is refuting him, he will be responsible and not me. So once again answer my question directly.
first of all i thought that i was the only guy in lebanon who was atheist and was anti-politics :D, am even anti-nations ( in which i see all the nations as the same, i dont belong to any nation but to earth ^_^ ) beat that :P ...

this is for the Quran guy with the Big Bang theory of creation, first of all the big bang wasnt a solid blast , it was at the level of atoms or something where the first matter became so dense and hot and exploded then expanded stuff then after some very very very very very very very very i guess you get the point earth was created then after very very very very very very very very years passed and humans came from the very very very very very very evolution years :D... btw at the big bang i can assure you that heaven wasnt created, because the big bang not only cause the space come into existence but time as well, big bang made space & time , if you believe that there is time in heaven , it's bad :P... so the question arises since god was existing before the big bang and before time and space , what made him suddenly to create the world? what happened to him? i thought god was omnipotent and omnipresent :P.... it's not like he went ohh am bored let me create something to watch :P...
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