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Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Yea yea, Firstly I was not born a Muslim, My grandfather was Maronite and I was an Aethiest, Secondly "Big Bang" Is Mentionned in the Quran if you didn't know so enjoy that. And in this Quran you talk about tere are 500 clear verses which have been accepeted as scientific Facts (not theories).

Here's ur verse:
(21:30) Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore them apart, and We made every living being out of water? Will they, then, not believe (that We created all this)?

I'm sure this was common knowlege at the time specially for those living in the desert.

I doubt.
As for the Quran verse, instead of trying to maintain this superior standpoint of yours, why don't you try to look at the verse and analyze it for a second. From one point, if I want to take into account that it was actually the big bang they were talking about, then I am sure I can find you many claims that predated Islam by far and talked about some explosion at some time in the universe. Regardless , it is useless because my second point is everyone who believes that this is connected to the big bang must have his IQ checked. So Earth and Heaven were one piece of mass and then separated. In the big bang, Earth was not created, and ( thus not heaven ?) Earth was created billions of years after. So, if you want to take a timeline, no matter what, you would be taking the timeline of the scientific "big bang" meaning the only way you can explain the timeline is by taking that for instance every two days is some few billion years, and by that you would be assuming something that was not mentioned. All that, however, only works if the Quran meant that Earth and heaven did not get created once the explosion happens and it doesn't mention anything about it.

Also how come that water was used to create every living thing ? Wasn't it clay that humans were created from ?

You say "Once something is created it is normal for someone to attribute it to something" I say Yes I attribute it to its creator, since you know that it is created Then you surely Must know that there is a creator.
Once you establish that there is a "creator" for a "created" then you want to Know about the Nature of this Creator and here you fall into a trap and mostly start to make stuff up, And this is the reason Prophets are sent with clear messages and guidance.

Yeh they were sent for that purpose, but in the process ignored billions of people before them.

Thirdly When you say that what GOD does is futile, does it not occur to you that god's wisdom is far beyond urs and that it's simply none of ur business what he does, whether he created green or blue trees or whether The earth is Flat or Spherical, You Barely Understand the creature and now you want to fully comprehend the creator.

His wisdom is far beyond us but when it is accompanied with an organized religion I can refute anything. Also I made a point and you didn't reply to it yet. Don't tell me that I cannot understand God, please. If I want to follow you and your beliefs, he gave me logic, right ? ... so if my logic is refuting him, he will be responsible and not me. So once again answer my question directly.