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Originally Posted by Ataraxia  You did not understand what I said. I told you to go back to what I said first, maybe you even didn't. You are being exclusive in your view of God and the creation . Once something is created, it is normal for someone to attribute it to something. The point is, this would be just an assumption and most probably coming from an inability to identify the cause. So I am not going into the details of the big bang, I am just trying to refute the theory of God and creation which would be automatically refuted actually once the big bang theory is ackowledged. Regardless,Why would God create an Earth ? eh ? Why would God create something from nothing ? I noted to you that if there was humans or the concept of a human was existent before God appeared, my argument would fall, but God had the hand in creating human. That is why I said God would be creating the problem to fix it. He created a concept to solve it and in the bigger picture that means at the very most, you can only look at it as a game. That is why it renders the concept of evaluating a human soul futile.
Talking about sense, I stopped reading at here first simply because you are making assumptions and getting on the defensive. You don't have to panic when someone mentions God and "DOESN'T EXIST". I am looking at your username and it says TripolySunni. I don't like to make assumptions but compared to me I think the road I went through to reach atheism was more "unbiased" and independent than you. You probably was born a sunni and remained so until now. I, However, was born in one of the most religious and politic families yet have decided through my life to chose my choices on my own. So instead of being a die-hard Christian I worked my way to not believe in a God, and instead of following a certain political party I decided to follow my own. So all what you looked like is the following: a pseudo intellectual thinking he was evaluating another being from a superior standpoint.
As for denying God completely, You are proving God completely, so why is my point wrong and yours right ? Why aren't you an agnostic ? Actually if I want to go by that, it is you who have to prove that something exists for as far as aI know I can make a book right now, talk about the God "823475823" and tell you he exists and when you ask me for proof, I would say I don't need to but it is you who has to disprove.
You are following a primitive formula, which leads you to go in circles. What you said here and in most of the "article" are just words upon words.
As for everything else including the ants subjects going into the gravity thing moving into the human function, you seem to be ignorant of one of the most important topics: which is Evolution and Adaptation. To put a nice headline for you as a basic exemplar of an evolutionist thinking replying to your gravity-distance-earth theory: You simply wouldn't have existed or earth wouldn't have existed had it not been for so ( the specificity and all). You agree with me here. .. But Earth and its surrounding's constituents also would have had to adapt to reach this stage or you wouldn't have existed, right ? Therefore, your existence would have required and entailed adaptation. So your theory of intelligent design is inane and comes yet again ( like all religious debates) from an inability to identify the cause. So all what you are doing is giving a purpose and ofcourse proving how you think backwards. |
Yea yea, Firstly I was not born a Muslim, My grandfather was Maronite and I was an Aethiest, Secondly "Big Bang" Is Mentionned in the Quran if you didn't know so enjoy that. And in this Quran you talk about tere are 500 clear verses which have been accepeted as scientific Facts (not theories).
Here's ur verse:
(21:30) Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore them apart, and We made every living being out of water? Will they, then, not believe (that We created all this)?
I'm sure this was common knowlege at the time specially for those living in the desert.
You say "Once something is created it is normal for someone to attribute it to something" I say Yes I attribute it to its creator, since you know that it is created Then you surely Must know that there is a creator.
Once you establish that there is a "creator" for a "created" then you want to Know about the Nature of this Creator and here you fall into a trap and mostly start to make stuff up, And this is the reason Prophets are sent with clear messages and guidance.
thirdly When you say that what GOD does is futile, does it not occur to you that god's wisdom is far beyond urs and that it's simply none of ur business what he does, whether he created green or blue trees or whether The earth is Flat or Spherical, You Barely Understand the creature and now you want to fully comprehend the creator.